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Ed Love

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Scott

Subj: Re: Triumph
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:53:21 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Triumph
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 06:25:07 am EDT

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> 1. Where is he?

The Spectre transformed Triumph into ice and prepared to smash him with a hammer, but was stopped by a compassionate plea by the angel Zauriel. His ice form was stored in the Justice League headquarters. Grant Morrison, the writer of this story, later destroyed the headquarters, but forgot to remove Triumph from there, presumably killing him in the process without realizing it.

> 2. IS he still a JLA founder? If 52's JLA origin is valid, then no right?

He is not a founder. This was also established in last year's JLA #0. Probably before that too.

> 3. Do we want him back?

In a way I'd like to see him return but with a better backstory and not as a JLA member/founder.

Scott
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Scott: "1953."

> > 1. Where is he?
>
> The Spectre transformed Triumph into ice and prepared to smash him with a hammer, but was stopped by a compassionate plea by the angel Zauriel. His ice form was stored in the Justice League headquarters. Grant Morrison, the writer of this story, later destroyed the headquarters, but forgot to remove Triumph from there, presumably killing him in the process without realizing it.
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> > 2. IS he still a JLA founder? If 52's JLA origin is valid, then no right?
>
> He is not a founder. This was also established in last year's JLA #0. Probably before that too.

Well, wasn't his backstory that he was a founder that no one but he remembers? And he has no way of proving it. So, in a way he's a founder, but only through a loophole. 'Course now, that could be just because he's from another Earth, and the adventure shunted him here where no one knows him.

> > 3. Do we want him back?
>
> In a way I'd like to see him return but with a better backstory and not as a JLA member/founder.

I find it hard to like him once I read about Priest's intentions of the character. He's meant to be a loser and a screw-up. He became a superhero because he wanted to be one, but that he really doesn't have the chops to do it. He might have the powers and motivation, but he's always going to screw things up. I don't think I totally buy it, at least not the way Priest presented it. It worked with Malibu's PROTECTORS and the modern Masked Marvel because he was a normal athletic man trying to keep up with super-powered people and there were a few other issues at work as well. What drove him wasn't enough and he paid the ultimate price.

With Triumph though, he had powers that put him equal to the others, we saw that he had drive and motivation stemming from childhood. Plus, making him a founder that no one remembers, the character had a legitimate reason to come across at times as a jerk. While, I agree that sometimes just desire and wanting something bad enough isn't enough, we never really got the sense of that with Triumph. And being a hero, if that's truly what you want, to make a difference, you will find a way whether it's getting into the Big Brother Program, Habitat for Humanity etc. What we got was not a story about a man whose reach exceeded his grasp but more of someone that wanted to be a hero without really understanding what that required which seemed to conflict at times with the character's origin and backstory of sacrifice and motivations.

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