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Tailgunner Joe

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AKUS99

Subj: Re: NEW FRONTIER = propaganda against non military freedom lovers [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:31:16 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: NEW FRONTIER = propaganda against non military freedom lovers [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:57:44 pm EST

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Actually the vast majority of the people mentioned in Venona were not government officials and certainly not at a high-level. The only high level names are Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White. Neither was a huge surprise, especially since Hiss went to prison because he denied being a Communist agent under oath. White had long been suspected of being a Communist agent before the Venona decrypts became public. Hiss actually doesn't appear in the decrypts by name. He is presumed to be the agent referred to as Ales. Also the espionage that Venona documents largely took place in the 1930s and early 1940s. The Venona papers contain no evidence to support any of McCarthy's claims of continued employment of communists during the 1950s. In fact, McCarthy did not expose one communist. The House Committee on Un-American Activities went after private citizens in key areas, such as education and entertainment. Most of the people were not accused of espionage but found guilty of hiding communist messages in their work.

> > > > > The over arching story against those that worked here in America for freedom (McCarthy and other anti-communists)
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> > > > i'm not sure if you're just trolling or what... but just so i understand... it's your case that McCarthy fought IN FAVOR OF American freedom?
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> > > Not a troll. Big fan of JLA. The Venona papers proved that this JLA movies propaganda is based on fear and/or on hatred of US Constitutional government, not facts.
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> > What papers? Look, in the 50's, McCarthy was a little nuts and caused problems where there really wasn't.
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> He's referring to the release of the Venona intercepts in the early 90s after the fall of the Soviet Union, which proved that a surprisingly large number of people in multiple high-level government positions were, in fact, communists, and in the pay of the Soviet Union.
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> TJB

> Actually the vast majority of the people mentioned in Venona were not government officials and certainly not at a high-level. The only high level names are Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White. Neither was a huge surprise, especially since Hiss went to prison because he denied being a Communist agent under oath. White had long been suspected of being a Communist agent before the Venona decrypts became public. Hiss actually doesn't appear in the decrypts by name. He is presumed to be the agent referred to as Ales. Also the espionage that Venona documents largely took place in the 1930s and early 1940s. The Venona papers contain no evidence to support any of McCarthy's claims of continued employment of communists during the 1950s. In fact, McCarthy did not expose one communist. The House Committee on Un-American Activities went after private citizens in key areas, such as education and entertainment. Most of the people were not accused of espionage but found guilty of hiding communist messages in their work.
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Don't know what you've been reading, but every independent review of Venona I have come across reveals McCarthy was basically vindicated. I have read the papers on the FBI site as well as the CIA site as well as a few books on the subject as well as the news paper articles that covered it at the time. The newspapers were the only medium that supported your point of view. Scholars that wrote beyond sound bites basically called it a vindication, although they personally did not like McCarthys tactics, they were forced to admit he was right.

I think this is getting off topic slightly, the point of the original post was to point out that the movie that was great (minus its anti climactic ending) was stripped of its status by promoting an agenda not based on the facts.


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