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So in your "informed" opinion, do you think there was any relationship between the creation of the characters mentioned here? Or do you think it was all just a coincidence?

And I say this not to start a Marvel is ripping off DC thread or anything, but with the understanding that both companies borrowed heavily from each other in those days. I find it hard to believe that it is just a coincidence that just a few months after the JLA get their android member, that the Avengers get one as well. But I guess it is possible.

"So in your 'informed' opinion, do you think there was any relationship between the creation of the characters mentioned here? Or do you think it was all just a coincidence?"

I BELIEVE IT was just one of those peculiar coïncidences. I take my opinion from someone who was there at the time. On 27 December 2004, author Michael Eury conducted an interview with Roy Thomas on the very subject of the confluenential debuts of the Vision and the second Red Tornado. That interview appeared in Eury's book Justice League Companion (Twomorrows Publishing, 2005), under the title "Android Analogs and Tussling Teams".

Springing from that interview, and its lead-in, are the following bits of information:

JLA writer Gardner Fox stated in a 1977 Batmania interview that the idea to bring back the Red Tornado in some incarnation was that of JLA editor Julius Schwartz.

In his interview with Mr. Eury, Roy Thomas stated that, in mid-1968, he had mentioned to Marvel editor Stan Lee that he [Thomas] wanted to revive the old Golden-Age character of the Vision as a new Avenger; and that Lee did not like that idea. Instead, Mr. Thomas recalled, Lee wanted the next Avenger to be an android. So, Thomas simply combined the two ideas into one.

Roy Thomas insisted that the similar concepts and the proximity of their debuts (the Red Tornado in JLA # 64 [Aug., 1968], and the Vision in The Avengers # 57 [Oct., 1968]) was strictly coïncidence. He stated in the interview that there had been no collusion between himself and Gardner Fox, nor, as far as he knew, any between anyone else at DC and Marvel, regarding the two characters.

Mr. Thomas also remarked that--and he allows it is strictly a guess on his part--the Red Tornado was "probably in the works a little longer simply because DC tended to work a little further ahead than Marvel did." But to all intents, the characters were contemporaneous.

That's good enough for me.

Hope this helps.

Commander Benson

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