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Da' Spyda'

Subj: Re: Dr. Mid-nite's recent JSA Classified (spoilerish)
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 10:54:45 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Dr. Mid-nite's recent JSA Classified (spoilerish)
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 11:49:35 am EDT

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Ah, but we are not discussing your belief systems and the difference amongst your friends. We are discussing comic book characters and their characterization and their relationships with their enviroment (the DC Multiverse) and those characters around them.

For the story to work, the creative teams (not just those of JSA Classified, but other JSA appearances as well)have to establish what do Dr. Mid-nite and Mr. Terrific really think of the supernatural things around them.

An apparent contradiction in attitude by these characters should not be resolved by the readers' inferring beliefs that were not clearly established by previous appearances. From my meager memory, I do not recall Mid-nite and Terrific conversing about there doubts of the Spectre's, Wonder Woman's, et. etc. origins, backgrounds, etc. OR, while encountering Mordru or the Gentlemen Ghost or Dr. Fate have them debate that obviously it wasn't magic, but yadda yadda yadda.

IF that had been done, then I would concede that the JSA Classified story would have held up better.

My mentioning of Mid-nite's and Terrific's different belief systems was only to point out that they came to the same conclusions in spite of their apparent differences. I DID NOT say anything about trying to convert one's belief into another's. Where you got that idea I'll never know.

Da' Spyda'



> Ah, but we are not discussing your belief systems and the difference amongst your friends. We are discussing comic book characters and their characterization and their relationships with their environment (the DC Multiverse) and those characters around them.

No, but my experiences can help explain (at least one way) how people with different beliefs co-exist peacefully. Would you rather have theological discussions every other issue? Who knows? Maybe they do discuss these things off panel. We certainly don't see everything that goes on in their lives.
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> For the story to work, the creative teams (not just those of JSA Classified, but other JSA appearances as well)have to establish what do Dr. Mid-nite and Mr. Terrific really think of the supernatural things around them.

I think this story helps to establish what you are talking about. It's a piece of the puzzle, at the very least.
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> An apparent contradiction in attitude by these characters should not be resolved by the readers' inferring beliefs that were not clearly established by previous appearances. From my meager memory, I do not recall Mid-nite and Terrific conversing about there doubts of the Spectre's, Wonder Woman's, et. etc. origins, backgrounds, etc. OR, while encountering Mordru or the Gentlemen Ghost or Dr. Fate have them debate that obviously it wasn't magic, but yadda yadda yadda.

No, I can't say that I recall Terrific going up to Dr. Fate and confronting him about whether he's really using magic, alien powers or advanced super-science. So what? I think that would distract from the stories we've been reading. Do you honestly want them to be in a battle with Extant or Black Adam and have Terrific ask Dr. Fate "No, really. How do you really do that?"

Oh, and Midnite and Terrific did express disbelief (saying he was an illusionist) when the Gentleman Ghost fought them at the end of the last series, and they tried to use science to explain his existence. Does that help you?
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> IF that had been done, then I would concede that the JSA Classified story would have held up better.
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> My mentioning of Mid-nite's and Terrific's different belief systems was only to point out that they came to the same conclusions in spite of their apparent differences.

So, people with different belief systems can't agree that vampires don't exist? Do Catholics believe in vampires while Atheists don't? They are both still scientists. I'm sure they share many common ideas. This just happened to be one of them.

> I DID NOT say anything about trying to convert one's belief into another's. Where you got that idea I'll never know.
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By saying things like "you never seen them talking to Wonder Woman, Dr. Fate, or whoever about their abilities and origins and say, 'Yeaah. Suuure, you are.'" implies vocalizing a disbelief of the others' origins. Just by expressing that disbelief in an other's belief system starts a dialogue so one can try to break down the other's belief. If I said to a friend, "You know that God really doesn't exist, right?" then I'm trying to change their belief system. But I have too much respect to do that to my friends.


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