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Ed Love

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Ham

Subj: Re: Robin was still young in the 1980s....(an aside)
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:53:05 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Robin was still young in the 1980s....(an aside)
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 at 03:23:32 pm EDT

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> > > At the time of the Crisis, using your starting age, Robin was 55. And Robin did semi-retire when he reached adulthood, but he was also still semi-active. You still have 26 years of active experience plus his semi-active years. I'd give him 4 years for that. In either view, he has had plenty of crimefighting experience. I think the original posters point of view was publishing history not the actual comic book stories.
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> > Either way, The Earth 2 Robin has way more experience than even the most seasoned crime fighter of Earth One.
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> Wasn't Robin affected by the Ian Karkull spell? I always thought that that's what kept him pretty much in his prime until the 1980s. He must've spent at least a decade in his teens, right?
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> That must have been really weird for a while. I couldn't imaging looking 16 with a 25 year old mental experience. That almost seems perverse.
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> - little kon-el

I always disliked the "Ian Karkull Explanation" as to the JSA keeping their relative youth. As a kid in the 70's, I always assumed that Earth 2, besides vibrating at a different speed than Earth 1, also rotated at a different speed than Earth 1, allowing the JSA members to age a little less than normal. This made sense to me. Once the Karkull story came along (and I respect Roy Thomas for al least trying to come up with an explanation), my idea crashed. However, the Karkull explanation only works with the people that were there at the time. This leaves so many characters out in the cold as far as slowed aging goes. In my own ittle world, I'm still sticking with my idea.

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> > > > At the time of the Crisis, using your starting age, Robin was 55. And Robin did semi-retire when he reached adulthood, but he was also still semi-active. You still have 26 years of active experience plus his semi-active years. I'd give him 4 years for that. In either view, he has had plenty of crimefighting experience. I think the original posters point of view was publishing history not the actual comic book stories.
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> > > Either way, The Earth 2 Robin has way more experience than even the most seasoned crime fighter of Earth One.
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> > Wasn't Robin affected by the Ian Karkull spell? I always thought that that's what kept him pretty much in his prime until the 1980s. He must've spent at least a decade in his teens, right?
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> > That must have been really weird for a while. I couldn't imaging looking 16 with a 25 year old mental experience. That almost seems perverse.
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> > - little kon-el
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> I always disliked the "Ian Karkull Explanation" as to the JSA keeping their relative youth. As a kid in the 70's, I always assumed that Earth 2, besides vibrating at a different speed than Earth 1, also rotated at a different speed than Earth 1, allowing the JSA members to age a little less than normal. This made sense to me. Once the Karkull story came along (and I respect Roy Thomas for al least trying to come up with an explanation), my idea crashed. However, the Karkull explanation only works with the people that were there at the time. This leaves so many characters out in the cold as far as slowed aging goes. In my own ittle world, I'm still sticking with my idea.

I liked it. For one thing it was a fun story, and good to see the JSA together in an adventure (as that rarely happened in All-Star Squadron). But, also, it serves to underscore how easy it is to provide an explanation for the relative youthfulness of the heroes, even normal guys like Sandman, Batman, and Robin and the relative future spouses. As often as readers keep trotting out that so and so should be old or dead because they had no powers, this highlights the response, "so what?" There are dozens of ways that they could have kept their youth, here's a nice blanket explanation for about a dozen characters. They might be normal in many regards, they didn't lead normal lives, they fought space aliens, time travellers, sorcerers and travelled to other dimensions and times. They only limitation to their age is that of the creator and readers. So, even if they weren't there for that event, as superheroes they faced enough strange things that the age doesn't bother me. If I see a relatively normal guy like the Whip show up still relatively young, I just assume there's a past story reason for it, not that I actually need to see the reasoning.

As far as Robin, I figured the Karkull effect slowed down the ravages of time, thus as a kid and teen-ager, he'd still age relatively normal, as his body is still developing. He wouldn't notice side-affects from the Karkull effect until adulthood and his body started declining. Otherwise, there'd also be delays in the characters healing and building muscle. Which is really thinking about it way too much... \:\)

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