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Subj: Re: Which JSA Member Know Batman's Secret Identity? Old Spoilers
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:26:02 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Which JSA Member Know Batman's Secret Identity? Old Spoilers
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 at 02:12:59 pm EDT

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> Here's the Breakdown of JSA Members who know what's what:
>
> 1. Alan Scott/GL: Alan knows that Bruce is Batman. Most recently, he helped Bruce Wayne cover up his identity so that the DEO Agent Chase now think that Alan Scott is really Batman (something Chase has actually kept from her supervisors).

Agreed. Haven't we heard at one point that Bruce unmasked to Alan to confront him for leaving Gotham at one point?

> 2. Jack Knight/Starman: Probably knows Bruce's identity from Alan Scott. They were pretty chummy in the Starman issue that you mentioned and I could easily see Alan Scott telling Ted that Batman=Bruce Wayne.

It's possible, but I actually doubt Jack knows who Bruce is.

> 3. Power Girl: I'm sure she knows through her Earth 2 stuff.

How much of that does she remember? If the answer's "most of it", then yeah, definitely.

> 4. Liberty Belle and Hourman: I don't think that they know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. They had no reason to know, but furthermore, it seems that Infinity Inc. didn't know who Bruce Wayne was (because Bones, one of their members, didn't recognize who Bruce Wayne as Batman in the Chase issue). Rick doesn't know. I don't think that Jesse knows, but I believe she could easily figure it out because she knows that Dick Grayson is Nightwing from her Titans tenure.

Hourman could know at any time, via his precognitive flashes as well.

> 5. Flash/Jay Garrick: I think that Jay knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne. I believe this because of the Wally West connection. There would be no reason for Jay not to know that Batman is Bruce Wayne, but I also think there is no reason why he'd NEED to know that Batman is Bruce Wayne. I could chalk this up to "Jay knows because he talked to Alan Scott" sort of things.

I figure Jay knows because of the Earth-2 business in IC, for sure, but I suspect he knew well before that... but I actually can't think of a single reason that he'd know for sure. (Alan's pretty good at keeping secrets, as HUAC found out...)

> 6. Wildcat: Ted actually trained Batman, so I know that Ted Grant knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

If he didn't figure it out during the training, he's learned since then by watching him, almost certainly.

> 7. Mr. Terrific: Michael probably knows that Batman = Bruce Wayne, but I think he respects Batman's privacy enough so as not to delve further into it. Michael is dating someone who knows that Bruce Wayne = Batman, but I don't think he's ever pressed the subject with her.

I'm sure Terrific knows. The question is whether he figured it out on his own, or Bruce told him... they think highly of one another.

> 8. Stargirl: I think Stargirl could find out and I think that her stepdad probably knows that Bruce is Batman, but for now I think that she's in the dark about it until she has to know.

I am sure she doesn't know... yet.

> 9. Cyclone: Cyclone probably doesn't know Bruce's identity.

She's had almost no chance to learn, so I agree.

> 10. Hawkman: Carter knows that Bruce is Batman because they've unmasked in front of each other before when they worked in the JLA.

If Carter didn't know before then... I've always suspected he's where Bruce learned a few of his tricks from.

> 11. Obsidian: Todd probably doesn't know, if for the sheer fact that I'm sure the Infinity Inc kids don't know that Batman = Bruce Wayne.

At the same time, Todd was in the JLA at one point, is telepathic with his sister (who dated Kyle Rayner, who does know the secret and is a big mouth), and had the whole "villain in the shadows" bit for a while. He could well know.

> 12. Damage: He could find out because he was a titan that knew Dick Grayson = Nightwing, but I don't think that Grant put two and two together like Jesse would to find out Batman's secret.

Damage shares some of Bruce's DNA, doesn't he? He could learn at any time because of that, but the odds aren't in his favor.

> 13. Dr. Midnight: would probably be in the same camp at Mr. Terrific in that it would be none of his business and he would purposefully not look into the matter.

I think he knows after the Drake murder, but I also don't think he'd care.

> 14. Jakeem: JT probably has figured it out during the JSA run when he went insane and trapped all the heroes. But I think that his thunderbolt may have wiped his mind clean of the incident.

One hopes. Jakeem simply couldn't be trusted with that knowledge.


TJB

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> > Here's the Breakdown of JSA Members who know what's what:
> >
> > 1. Alan Scott/GL: Alan knows that Bruce is Batman. Most recently, he helped Bruce Wayne cover up his identity so that the DEO Agent Chase now think that Alan Scott is really Batman (something Chase has actually kept from her supervisors).
>
> Agreed. Haven't we heard at one point that Bruce unmasked to Alan to confront him for leaving Gotham at one point?
>

This is probably true, but we do know that Alan Scott never left Gotham. He was still active even past the HUAC thing and went against the Reaper at one point. So yeah, I think Alan Scott may have unmasked Bruce at some point. Heck, even in the Starman issue, we have Alan Scott sort of keeping Batman's secret by calling him Batman instead of Bruce in front of Jay, Ted Knight, Ted Grant, and Hourman.

> > 2. Jack Knight/Starman: Probably knows Bruce's identity from Alan Scott. They were pretty chummy in the Starman issue that you mentioned and I could easily see Alan Scott telling Ted that Batman=Bruce Wayne.
>
> It's possible, but I actually doubt Jack knows who Bruce is.
>

But Jack does know Bruce's other deep dark secret: Bruce loooves "Crimes and Midsdemeanors" \:\-\)

> > 3. Power Girl: I'm sure she knows through her Earth 2 stuff.
>
> How much of that does she remember? If the answer's "most of it", then yeah, definitely.
>

Power Girl remembers Helena Wayne was Huntress, so I'm sure she still remembers that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

> > 4. Liberty Belle and Hourman: I don't think that they know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. They had no reason to know, but furthermore, it seems that Infinity Inc. didn't know who Bruce Wayne was (because Bones, one of their members, didn't recognize who Bruce Wayne as Batman in the Chase issue). Rick doesn't know. I don't think that Jesse knows, but I believe she could easily figure it out because she knows that Dick Grayson is Nightwing from her Titans tenure.
>
> Hourman could know at any time, via his precognitive flashes as well.
>

Now that I think about it, Infinity Inc had their minds erased of all Earth 2 stuff. Brainwave Jr. erased their memories because he wanted to save them the pain of remembering the past of those who no longer existed. This includes the new Hourman.

But you're right about the precog flashes. I'm sure he could figure that stuff out at any time due to a flash.

> > 5. Flash/Jay Garrick: I think that Jay knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne. I believe this because of the Wally West connection. There would be no reason for Jay not to know that Batman is Bruce Wayne, but I also think there is no reason why he'd NEED to know that Batman is Bruce Wayne. I could chalk this up to "Jay knows because he talked to Alan Scott" sort of things.
>
> I figure Jay knows because of the Earth-2 business in IC, for sure, but I suspect he knew well before that... but I actually can't think of a single reason that he'd know for sure. (Alan's pretty good at keeping secrets, as HUAC found out...)
>

When Jay and GL meet in Starman to deal with Ragdoll, GL doesn't mention Bruce's name...so I figure that he didn't know then. I do think that during the Satellite Era when Carter joined the League and they all unmask, Carter just tells the guys who's who because that's his job as the liason of both teams.

> > 6. Wildcat: Ted actually trained Batman, so I know that Ted Grant knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman.
>
> If he didn't figure it out during the training, he's learned since then by watching him, almost certainly.
>

Ted only acts stupid when he wants other to underestimate him. He's trained all the best hand to hand combatants. I know he can tell his style from everyone else's style. But I can't remember if there's any official acknowledgment that Ted knows that Batman = Bruce before Carter joining the JLA team.

> > 7. Mr. Terrific: Michael probably knows that Batman = Bruce Wayne, but I think he respects Batman's privacy enough so as not to delve further into it. Michael is dating someone who knows that Bruce Wayne = Batman, but I don't think he's ever pressed the subject with her.
>
> I'm sure Terrific knows. The question is whether he figured it out on his own, or Bruce told him... they think highly of one another.
>

I know that Bruce knows that Mr. Terrific is Michael Holt. The modern era JLA hasn't unmasked in front of the modern day JSA. We know that Checkmate and Maxwell Lord knows that Batman = Bruce Wayne.
> > 10. Hawkman: Carter knows that Bruce is Batman because they've unmasked in front of each other before when they worked in the JLA.
>
> If Carter didn't know before then... I've always suspected he's where Bruce learned a few of his tricks from.
>

Hmmm...it would be interesting of Carter Hall was one of Bruce's masters. That would explain how Bruce knows aerial combat.

> > 11. Obsidian: Todd probably doesn't know, if for the sheer fact that I'm sure the Infinity Inc kids don't know that Batman = Bruce Wayne.
>
> At the same time, Todd was in the JLA at one point, is telepathic with his sister (who dated Kyle Rayner, who does know the secret and is a big mouth), and had the whole "villain in the shadows" bit for a while. He could well know.
>

I still think that Todd would have a tough time with it. Brainwave did do a number on his and Jade's brain. Both Todd and Jade would know based on the IInc/JSA's first case together (the Stream of Ruthlessness), because he would know that Helena Wayne and Dick Grayson were proteges of Batman and that's why they were fighting. Since the whole Brainwave Brainwash, I don't know if he did remember that Bruce = Batman and I don't think Jade knew who Bruce was anyways.

But you are right in that Todd did have access to the JLA satellite during the post Giffen era, so he and Nuklon could've found out that Bruce Wayne = Batman...or at least wondered why there were a lot of Wayncorp stuff around the base.

> > 12. Damage: He could find out because he was a titan that knew Dick Grayson = Nightwing, but I don't think that Grant put two and two together like Jesse would to find out Batman's secret.
>
> Damage shares some of Bruce's DNA, doesn't he? He could learn at any time because of that, but the odds aren't in his favor.
>

Oh that is right. He does share some of Bruce's DNA. But I don't think that would necessarily tip him off. I mean, he could easily make the assumption that Bruce Wayne might be Superman for all he knows.
> > 13. Dr. Midnight: would probably be in the same camp at Mr. Terrific in that it would be none of his business and he would purposefully not look into the matter.
>
> I think he knows after the Drake murder, but I also don't think he'd care.
>

Sue's funeral may have been the tip off. Remember, we did have Tim with Alfred at Sue's funeral. If Dr. Midnight wanted to be enterprising, he could try to figure out why Alfred and Tim were there. He MUST have met Batman at some point and time before his tenure at the JSA because his origin story ties heavily with the Venom product and Batman's old villains, The Terrible Trio. But, more than likely, Dr. Midnight probably knows that Bruce = Batman through the superhero grapevine of Black Canary or Power Girl.

> > 14. Jakeem: JT probably has figured it out during the JSA run when he went insane and trapped all the heroes. But I think that his thunderbolt may have wiped his mind clean of the incident.
>
> One hopes. Jakeem simply couldn't be trusted with that knowledge.
>

I don't know why he wouldn't have the knowledge. The T-bolt is the most powerful thing in the DCU and they let Jakeem run around with it.


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