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Talezite

In Reply To
Sweep Secondhand

Subj: Re: JSA 12 thoughts and comments *not JSA 13*
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:59:02 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: JSA 13 thoughts and comments [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:04:28 am EST

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> > > I think the Manhunter's link was revealed as a lie wasn't it? And I found it ridiculous to kill off Judomaster, Ibis, Dr. Fate, and Sargon only to be replaced. Why create another Judomaster to begin with? Was there any real story that could be told with a replacement character that couldn't have been told with the original? There's only so many things you can do with a character called Judomaster than almost anything come up with is going to be a cheap copy. At least the original has some context and history to build upon.
> > >
> > If you think this is bad, just look at what happend to the Freedom Fighters. They killed off three characters, two of which were relativly new and undeveloped, in the span of only a page or two just to kick off Infinite Crapfest. Before their bodies are even cold they have way to close for comfort replacements for all of them. Tommy Jagger would have made a decent new Judomaster and his ties with Checkmate help the character. I think they came up with this new one just to make the character a Meta. Look at Tom-Cat. I still say that is one completely uneccisary character but thank God they haven't killed off Wildcat just to have him replaced by that!
>
> Oh, I agree. One of the things I liked about the second generation Freedom Fighter characters the Ray, Black Condor, Damage (who was the modern version of the Human Bomb), and Firebrand (who was senselessly killed off by Johns further back) was that the originals were not sacrificed to make way for the new ones. The Ray, Black Condor, and Damage featured the originals in small roles whereas it was rightfully recognized that Firebrand's name was generic enough there was no need to actually make him a legacy character.
>
> The new Sargon and Ibis I found especially annoying as it was part of a mini-series of one-shots that were to help set up the new Doctor Fate. It's overkill. DC's gone too much the legacy route of the characters. I'd rather either see the originals or actual new concepts. Out of all the legacies introduced the last couple of years, the only one that has struck me as interesting and enjoyable is the Ryan Choi Atom, but a big part of that is probably the power of Gail Simone's writing. And that Ray Palmer wasn't put in a doggie body bag to make room for him.
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> > - Sweep
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> Golden-age hero and villain encyclopedia: www.geocities.com/cash_gorman
>

So far I think the best example of multi-generational heros operating together has to be Rick and Rex Tyler. I thought the deal with Rick being able to confer with his father at zero point or whatever they called it was great. Now that Rex is completely back, I think it's great to see him pop up from time to time in a support role. With all the legacies, time travel, and immortal villians the JSA has to cope with, having a few original members around to provide information on the history is a must.

- Sweep

> > > > I think the Manhunter's link was revealed as a lie wasn't it? And I found it ridiculous to kill off Judomaster, Ibis, Dr. Fate, and Sargon only to be replaced. Why create another Judomaster to begin with? Was there any real story that could be told with a replacement character that couldn't have been told with the original? There's only so many things you can do with a character called Judomaster than almost anything come up with is going to be a cheap copy. At least the original has some context and history to build upon.
> > > >
> > > If you think this is bad, just look at what happend to the Freedom Fighters. They killed off three characters, two of which were relativly new and undeveloped, in the span of only a page or two just to kick off Infinite Crapfest. Before their bodies are even cold they have way to close for comfort replacements for all of them. Tommy Jagger would have made a decent new Judomaster and his ties with Checkmate help the character. I think they came up with this new one just to make the character a Meta. Look at Tom-Cat. I still say that is one completely uneccisary character but thank God they haven't killed off Wildcat just to have him replaced by that!
> >
> > Oh, I agree. One of the things I liked about the second generation Freedom Fighter characters the Ray, Black Condor, Damage (who was the modern version of the Human Bomb), and Firebrand (who was senselessly killed off by Johns further back) was that the originals were not sacrificed to make way for the new ones. The Ray, Black Condor, and Damage featured the originals in small roles whereas it was rightfully recognized that Firebrand's name was generic enough there was no need to actually make him a legacy character.
> >
> > The new Sargon and Ibis I found especially annoying as it was part of a mini-series of one-shots that were to help set up the new Doctor Fate. It's overkill. DC's gone too much the legacy route of the characters. I'd rather either see the originals or actual new concepts. Out of all the legacies introduced the last couple of years, the only one that has struck me as interesting and enjoyable is the Ryan Choi Atom, but a big part of that is probably the power of Gail Simone's writing. And that Ray Palmer wasn't put in a doggie body bag to make room for him.
> > >
> > > - Sweep
> >
> > Golden-age hero and villain encyclopedia: www.geocities.com/cash_gorman
> >
>
> So far I think the best example of multi-generational heros operating together has to be Rick and Rex Tyler. I thought the deal with Rick being able to confer with his father at zero point or whatever they called it was great. Now that Rex is completely back, I think it's great to see him pop up from time to time in a support role. With all the legacies, time travel, and immortal villians the JSA has to cope with, having a few original members around to provide information on the history is a must.
>
> - Sweep


Whoops I meant JSA 12 not 13! lol It apparently fine as we all talked about it anyways. Its true I sometimes know how to count ;\) That said I can't wait for JSA 13. As always good reading to you all.


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