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Monako

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Ed Love

Subj: But, clearly the JSA's Superman wasn't the same Superman we saw in JLA in the 60's.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39:33 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: No, I quit DC when they killed the Golden Age Superman.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:08:33 am EDT

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> > > Is he back with the JSA? What's going on in that picture, exactly?
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> > That's the Superman from Kingdom Come (Earth 22, IIRC). Kal-L is still dead.
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> Oh, that figures. Let me know if DC ever develops good taste and brings back the original man of steel. For the record, I do like the Kingdom Come Superman Alex Ross created, but only because I look at him and think ""Earth-2 Superman".
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In a sense they didn't because the Earth-2 Superman wasn't really the GA Superman. Until the "Flash of 2 Worlds" there wasn't the concept of Earth-2. The Superman you were reading about at that particular time was for all intents and purposes, the same Superman from the 40's. Just as the Phantom and Dick Tracy in the newspapers today are more or less the same men that were in the papers in the 30's and 40's. Call it the "sliding timeline" or what have you, the thing is they weren't bound by as strict continuity rules as today, so readers and writers just willingly turned a blind eye that these guys were around that long, that Robin was still a kid, etc. They just chose not to reference it and not make a big deal out of it.

With the creation of Earth-2 though, the rules of continuity changed for DC, and then the Earth-2 Superman (and Batman & Robin, Green Arrow, and Aquaman) were created in theory though it would be awhile before all made in-continuity appearances. To delineate between the two versions, the Earth-2 versions would embrace little things that were true briefly for the characters early in their careers such as the differing explanations of the source of the powers, the name of the newspaper, and his boss, etc. And those contradictory things were now formally expunged from the backstory of the current version of the character, now known as the Earth-1...,

Golden-age hero and villain encyclopedia: www.geocities.com/cash_gorman


> > > > Is he back with the JSA? What's going on in that picture, exactly?
> > >
> > > That's the Superman from Kingdom Come (Earth 22, IIRC). Kal-L is still dead.
> >
> > Oh, that figures. Let me know if DC ever develops good taste and brings back the original man of steel. For the record, I do like the Kingdom Come Superman Alex Ross created, but only because I look at him and think ""Earth-2 Superman".
> >
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> In a sense they didn't because the Earth-2 Superman wasn't really the GA Superman.

You do agree that there was a Golden Age Superman was a member of the JSA and started the comicbook industry (as far as superheroes ar concerned, anyway),right? It that ain't Kal-L, who is it? Such a character existed, such a character was delineated for the record to be the Earth-2 Superman, and so, ipso facto, they are one and the same. DC killed Siegel and Shuster's original Superman. That is utterly unacceptable.They don't have the right. He belongs to the fans, not to corporate monsters.








Until the "Flash of 2 Worlds" there wasn't the concept of Earth-2.

And yet,Golden Age coninuity clearly existed before the label "Earth-2" was created by Barry Allen's Flash. The Golden Age continuity still came first, still deserves to be respected perdominantly over upstart retcon junk. We owe the original creators that much, at least. Without them, a lot of artists and writers today might be flipping burgers for a living.






The Superman you were reading about at that particular time was for all intents and purposes, the same Superman from the 40's.

But that would mean Kal-El was a member of the JSA in the 40's before he was a JLAer in the late 50's/early 60's, and clearly that's not the case. They were two different Supermen from two different Kryptons (and two dfferent universes, just like Supergirl and Power Girl).







Just as the Phantom and Dick Tracy in the newspapers today are more or less the same men that were in the papers in the 30's and 40's.


The Phantom has descendants who take up the Phantom mantle. Not the same thing.



Call it the "sliding timeline" or what have you, the thing is they weren't bound by as strict continuity rules as today, so readers and writers just willingly turned a blind eye that these guys were around that long, that Robin was still a kid, etc.


Okay, now that was and still is a universal problem (Franklin Richards, Kitty Pryde, Earth-1's Robin & original Titans who started out in Kennedy's Peace Corps in '66 after his assassination), and even Toro in the 50's is depicted as a teen mistakenly to this very day in flashbacks).





They just chose not to reference it and not make a big deal out of it.

Some fans used pragmatic logic to extrapolate the existence of certain dopplegangers, however.



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> With the creation of Earth-2 though, the rules of continuity changed for DC, and then the Earth-2 Superman (and Batman & Robin, Green Arrow, and Aquaman) were created in theory though it would be awhile before all made in-continuity appearances. To delineate between the two versions, the Earth-2 versions would embrace little things that were true briefly for the characters early in their careers such as the differing explanations of the source of the powers, the name of the newspaper, and his boss, etc.

And those little differences were fun as hell to read about.


And those contradictory things were now formally expunged from the backstory of the current version of the character, now known as the Earth-1...,


Giving us the best of both worlds. After Crisis, you got zilch except for second rate retcons.


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> Golden-age hero and villain encyclopedia: www.geocities.com/cash_gorman
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