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gunwitch31

In Reply To
Sweep Secondhand

Subj: Kind of in the same boat
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:18:14 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Should the real earth 2 come back
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:18:24 am EDT

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> In the early days of the new DCU after COIE, things were quite well done in the way the new combined DCU were potrayed. Sadly over the years things went a little haywire (see Donna Troy, Hawkman and Supergirl a little). It could not be helped though and I am sure it was not intentional. Now I really feel that after FC, we should see the return of the original multiverse. Not the new one after IC but the actual one before COIE. I really would not mind reading about different sets of heroes in different Earths. Sort of reading about DCu at one time and then Dark Hourse in another and then Wildstorm. With good writing it can be interesting and we can have the occasional crossovers.
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> The only thing is how to explain the continuity from 1985 till now when everyone was in one Earth when so many heroes lives affected others? Any thoughts there?


I believe DC did as good a job with COIE as they could do given the task. The problem is they didn't just stop there. Had they gotten to the end of COIE and said "here's where we are and we fit in as much as we could. Now we will just move forward as is." that would have been fine. Instead they found 20 different ways to supposedly explain or improve things that only made the situation worse. That is up to and certainly including Infinite Crapfest. I would have preferred that DC never combined the multiverses in the first place. Once they did it though I was OK with moving forward. Now that they have spent the better part of 14 years unravaling the one half way decent job they did with COIE, I say put it back the way it was for good or give up already!

- Sweep

> > In the early days of the new DCU after COIE, things were quite well done in the way the new combined DCU were potrayed. Sadly over the years things went a little haywire (see Donna Troy, Hawkman and Supergirl a little). It could not be helped though and I am sure it was not intentional. Now I really feel that after FC, we should see the return of the original multiverse. Not the new one after IC but the actual one before COIE. I really would not mind reading about different sets of heroes in different Earths. Sort of reading about DCu at one time and then Dark Hourse in another and then Wildstorm. With good writing it can be interesting and we can have the occasional crossovers.
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> > The only thing is how to explain the continuity from 1985 till now when everyone was in one Earth when so many heroes lives affected others? Any thoughts there?
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> I believe DC did as good a job with COIE as they could do given the task. The problem is they didn't just stop there. Had they gotten to the end of COIE and said "here's where we are and we fit in as much as we could. Now we will just move forward as is." that would have been fine. Instead they found 20 different ways to supposedly explain or improve things that only made the situation worse. That is up to and certainly including Infinite Crapfest. I would have preferred that DC never combined the multiverses in the first place. Once they did it though I was OK with moving forward. Now that they have spent the better part of 14 years unravaling the one half way decent job they did with COIE, I say put it back the way it was for good or give up already!
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Before the Crisis in '85 I had a perfect grasp on the multiverse. The changes that the Crisis brought really caught me off guard and I wasn't the least bit pleased with the changes they made to specific characters like Superman. However, the idea that now the JSA had paved the way for the JLA on the same earth kind of made more sense and opened up a world of possibilities. Although I think a lot of the possibilities were never explored to their full potential.

For whatever reasons, I had a very difficult time hanging on to comics, both Marvel and DC, throughout the late 80's and early 90's with brief highlights along the way. Now we've come full circle. We found out there is an entire (well 52 at least) multiverse again. And the current shared single universe is in danger of becoming ever darker in the pages of Final Crisis. I'm sure, like Crisis on Infinite Earths, this will be a good story. It's the ramifications afterwards that worry me so much. I've spent a good 20 years investing in this current universe. Part of me would hate to see it wiped off the map. But there is a part of me that wonders if it might not just work for the better to go back to separate earths, separate universes.

Although DC has been producing some top-notch stories these last few years, it seems to be done at the expense of a lot of once great ideas and characters. We've had a number of deaths since this all started back in Identity Crisis. We've seen things grow steadily darker, which for the villains isn't a bad thing, I like my villains dark. But it seems like we are seeing some of the heroes compromised as well. Maybe this makes for good sales, better stories, or a better way of competing with Marvel and holding on to readers that inevitably become jaded with the passage of years. But I'm not so sure it's for the best.

I know one thing. If I pick up an older comic, I do miss how bright things seemed, how good natured it was. Is it possible to do comics that are told well and maturely but at the same time draw a clear distinction between good and evil and without too much "serious-realism"?

If I had my way, yes, we'd see a comic for Captain Marvel, Bulletman, Spysmasher, and the Marvel Family. We'd see one that showcased the Charlton heroes; Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Peacemaker. There would be an Earth-2 where the JSA & Infinity dwelled and were the primary heroes. And we'd see an earth where the Justice League and Teen Titans were still bright strong forces for good that haven't suffered from betrayals, affairs, or deaths. And finally, we'd still have this current Earth, the one that seems increasingly dark and brutal shared by all the heroes and villains that ever were.

I don't think DC should wipe out the recreated universe. I think if they were smart they would keep it as a back up plan, and if they want to go the route of Wildstorm and wreck the current universe, they still have good, untouched universes to fall back on.

~D


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