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Subj: I Agree Fully That Better Writing Is The Better Answer.... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 04:27:50 pm EDT
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:56:56 pm EDT

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> As I've said recently, when was the last time any of us thought of Peter Parker as a teen in the MU Proper, despite the SM films?
he's not even really a teenager in those either for that matter, he's well into college. in light of ultimate spiderman the whole thing strikes me as completely and utterly pointless, unless it is a "college years" spiderman, but even then I think its a horrible idea just slightly less horrible.
> I haven't thought of him as a teen since the late 60s. To my way of thinking, he's at least 23-24 if not 28-30.
yeah he's near 30 in my mind, I actually like him as a school teacher.
> So I'm not surprised Marvel is taking him back to his teens (and thus perhaps make him more identifiable to film audiences), and reviving Cap in the process. Spidey's got a lot of baggage that should go, IMO.
any for instances? i don't disagree just want to hear what you think. i think that the neglect of spiderman's supporting cast (flash, betty, etc) has been lamentable. of course baggage comes with the territory when you have 3 or 4 comics focusing on a character (same thing with batman and superman)
> This would be an excellent time to 'correct'/tweek a lot (I mean, A LOT) of other things too within the MU too, which they should have taken advantage of at the time of HOM, and didn't. At least Brubaker has fixed Lorna all on his own.
i don't know, like you mention with the brubaker example im not sure how much of this stuff needs a "cosmic reset" to fix it, just better writing.
> I wouldn't mind seeing CW go away either, though leaving the 50-state teams with us might not be a bad idea. Getting rid of the NA team (forever!) and changing back IM into a less than uber-impervious 'hero' might not be a bad idea either....this new IM just astinks on every level and is 100% uninteresting, not more so.
i think it will be torn apart at some point, and im interested to see the meltdown.
> ...and while they're at it, making their huge cast of villians and criminals viable again, from the Wrecker and Mr. Hyde to Mephisto and Kang, would also be an excellent idea.
YES! biggest problem these days

...but what are you going to do with half of Marvel's current stable of writers, especially JQ's posse and favorites, who seem committed to making the MU a dusty, uniformly dark, depressing, crude, and unimaginative place?

Like Omar says below, who needs super heroes for what are essentially noir-ish police dramas? Or 'detective' tales?

Marvel needs its writers to be good, solid, creative, dynamic, and imaginative writers across the board, the way they were in the 80s. Period. Not the 'Me and my career first, the characters second, the titles, third" type of writer prevalent everywhere in the industry today.

I agree also about Flash, Betty, J. Jonah, Robbie, and the like. Since the early 90s, SM's books simply haven't felt like SM books to me. Some would call that progress, I just call it stale, impersonal, and lifeless.

Like IM, Spider Man needs to be brought back to basics: no Capt. Universe powers, no 'Back in Black,' no 'The Other,' no special CW costumes with tenacles, no Clone Sagas, No 'I'm A Perfect Unlikable Idiot Under Bendis' stuff.

He's a 'personal hero,' if I may, and the book should feel somewhat intimate and personal. He shouldn't be grossly over-exposed the way he has been. Less is More.

And this goes for his rogue's gallery too. They've largely lost their charm, just like Peter, just like the books. The truth is that they cane be viable and dangerous, and somewhat charming too. Kraven, Electro, and the Vulture were charming back in the day, each in his own way, and so was the Rhino. That doesn't mean we can see Venom anymore, or any new villains. We should.

Especially with the 50-state thing going--which I don't for a minute think Marvel will be able to control creatively under this administration--we especially need criminals who are viable, powerful, and dangerous. Leagues and leagues of them, scores, from Amphibius all the way up to Galactus.

And I'd like to see them become the unofficial 'guest stars' in the books again, not incidental background characters who waltz in for 3 panels, get smacked down, and that's it.

Like many, I remember the day when Maelstrom, the Death Stalker, the Ani-Men, the Melter, the Vanisher, Centurion, Hela, FireBrand, MODOK, Blaastar, Llyra, the Leader, the Sleeper robots, the Jester, the Man-Bull, Ymir, Mr. Kline, and a host of others were the REAL reason I picked up the latest Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, or Doctor Strange, and loved every minute of it.

What every happened to the villain 'master plan' or 'mad scheme'?


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