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Blargh

In Reply To
Ed Love

Subj: Actually, about Pym 616 vs Ultimate Pym
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 04:47:31 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: The Problem With 'Crisis' Events Is That They're Constantly Mishandled By Both Companies [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:00:37 pm EDT

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> ...and Vanko's news may be all bunk indeed.
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> But Marvel has had a few chances to fix things and they've either wasted those opportunities or made things worse (1,000,000 + boring ex-mutants, for example).
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> DC's last big event was a lot of fun but confusing as hell, and I don't know that it really made things clearer in the DC U.
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> I think Marvel needs to sit down, make a list of things they want to fix via such an event, and then work it all out carefully in terms of how they want to do it and how they want to the result to appear at the end. This, I think, they clearly didn't do with HOM and its aftermath.

One of the big problems with the cosmic reset is your writers are all fans of different stuff and will immediately start bringing back all the things you think should stay gone. Instead of forging new ground, once groundbreaking stories will be regurgitated again with a lot less of the magic. Look at the Ultimates. A chance to have a heroic Hank Pym that's not defined by the wife-beating, traitor to Avengers and yet they wasted no time in making the character actually more of a creep.

Why expect things to be better than they are now unless they rid themselves of the creators and management that directed them to this spot over the last couple of years that gave us New Avengers, Scarlet Witch going bad, heroes turning on each other, Peter Parker unmasking, Captain America dead, Bucky and Captain Marvel not dead, etc?
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The writers who define Pym as a wife beater in 616 are either horrible on continuity (it happened once when he was at a breaking point and every bad thing in the world was happening to him), whereas in Ultimate he is firmly established as an abuser, hitting Jan multiple times since they've been dating. The writers for 616 has LOL WIFE BEATER ANT RIDER are crappy writers or ignoring the other 40 years of Hank Pym in Avengers/Avengers related titles. I mean, if hitting your wife once defines you as a wife beater, then Spider-Man is one too (and he used his super strength on her!) but no one makes him like that because writers either ignore that part of history or focus on everything else.

Honestly, I think Bendis, in his few instances of using Pym, has a good character out of him. His insecurities, particularly his inferiority complex, are shown in the first New Avengers CW issue. Also, the guy who wrote Beyond! did a great job too.


> One of the big problems with the cosmic reset is your writers are all fans of different stuff and will immediately start bringing back all the things you think should stay gone. Instead of forging new ground, once groundbreaking stories will be regurgitated again with a lot less of the magic. Look at the Ultimates. A chance to have a heroic Hank Pym that's not defined by the wife-beating, traitor to Avengers and yet they wasted no time in making the character actually more of a creep.


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