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Subj: Vanko Didn't Say They Were Going To Fold The MU Proper & Ultimate Universe Together.... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 04:52:59 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: On Vanko's Big News....Tiger More Or Less Predicted It [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 04:45:28 pm EDT

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There are a few major problems I have with this theory's validity...

> > As I've said recently, when was the last time any of us thought of Peter Parker as a teen in the MU Proper, despite the SM films?
> >
> he's not even really a teenager in those either for that matter, he's well into college. in light of ultimate spiderman the whole thing strikes me as completely and utterly pointless, unless it is a "college years" spiderman, but even then I think its a horrible idea just slightly less horrible.

This is the first thing I thought. How is putting Peter in high school any kind of synergy? He graduated halfway through the FIRST movie. AND we have Ultimate Spider-Man for that...

...which brings me to my next point. How is folding Ultimate and Marvel Universes into one supposed to make Marvel more money? 616 Spidey is popular enough to have a whole gaggle of books going concurrently (FNSM, SSM, ASM, SMFamily, New Avengers, plus guests and minis). Ultimate is also popular. I don't think anyone would say that two entirely different audiences buy each Universe of Spidey books (I know I buy both). How does combining them into one thing (other concurrent continuities being SMLovesMJ and Spider-Girl/MC2) do anything but limit the need for additional books and buyers' comfort that each offers some kind of significant variation. Even 3 books in one universe is pushing the envelope - but that means 616 IS popular enough to support them! How many books does Ultimae Spider-Man support? Why give readers one less reason to buy a book by making it redundant or cancelling it all together? Obviously every one of these books makes its money back, so what good does it do to simply eliminate (which is basically what they are doing) the "Ultimate" alternative?

Also, on the subject of Cap, past and war-stories have not been as popular as mainstream superhero comics in decades. Why would Marvel take that giant risk? It's not like a time-lost superhero is a new. exciting, or hard-to-fix thing, it happens all the time and is reversed just as often. That just sounds too stupid, business-wise, to be true. Or at least too stupid to be profitable. Any way they bring back Cap will make a splash, thanks to the hoopla over his death. It would make more sense to bring him back in a money-grubbing, MU-affecting event than in the middle of a historic war that your average comic reader doesn't care about reading.

Basically, I don't buy it.

If Vanko's not lying, my money's on his "source" fibbing. That's just how I call it though.

> > I haven't thought of him as a teen since the late 60s. To my way of thinking, he's at least 23-24 if not 28-30.
> >
> yeah he's near 30 in my mind, I actually like him as a school teacher.
> > So I'm not surprised Marvel is taking him back to his teens (and thus perhaps make him more identifiable to film audiences), and reviving Cap in the process. Spidey's got a lot of baggage that should go, IMO.
> >
> any for instances? i don't disagree just want to hear what you think. i think that the neglect of spiderman's supporting cast (flash, betty, etc) has been lamentable. of course baggage comes with the territory when you have 3 or 4 comics focusing on a character (same thing with batman and superman)
> > This would be an excellent time to 'correct'/tweek a lot (I mean, A LOT) of other things too within the MU too, which they should have taken advantage of at the time of HOM, and didn't. At least Brubaker has fixed Lorna all on his own.
> >
> i don't know, like you mention with the brubaker example im not sure how much of this stuff needs a "cosmic reset" to fix it, just better writing.
> > I wouldn't mind seeing CW go away either, though leaving the 50-state teams with us might not be a bad idea. Getting rid of the NA team (forever!) and changing back IM into a less than uber-impervious 'hero' might not be a bad idea either....this new IM just astinks on every level and is 100% uninteresting, not more so.
> >
> i think it will be torn apart at some point, and im interested to see the meltdown.
> > ...and while they're at it, making their huge cast of villians and criminals viable again, from the Wrecker and Mr. Hyde to Mephisto and Kang, would also be an excellent idea.
> YES! biggest problem these days

Check it out: Shu and I (and FLCL) teamed up!

....he said they were going to 'Ultimatize' the MU Proper 'as much as possible.' Whatever that means.

So that doesn't mean they're going to get rid of the Ultimates line by any means. Obviously, why cut your profits in half?

I don't think we should, by the way, be ticking these posts 'spoilers,' siunce by doing so we may only be spreading gossip. But I'm playing it safe until we know whether we should or not.

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