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Sandman

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FZ

Subj: Re: MARVEL is raking in the bucks.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 11:04:21 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: MARVEL is raking in the bucks.
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 01:58:45 am EDT

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> I just read Captain America #25, NA #28, and Mighty Avengers #1 which has provoked some CW thoughts.
>
> Now, to be fair, Ironman tried to make the best of a bad situation...but he's still a moron for supporting this. Here's a couple of points that have been argued in support of the SHRA.

I think he acted more rationally, and Cap finally realised this at the end, throughout SHRA. Stark acted like an adult. It made Cap look real bad, IMO.
>
> The will of the people. Supposedly there the ones who want the SHRA but they didn't seem too happy when Cap was going to court being dragged around like a common criminal. What did there signs say? Oh yeah, "free Captain America" even though he broke the precious law. Hell, I even saw a few "SHRA is fascist" type signs in the crowd. So exactly which people are we talking about?

Obviously Cap supporters would be outside court. Second, SHRA is as 'fascist' as regulating a Police Force. This whole series has been an over the top allegory for current events, which are also over the top.
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> Property damage. This is just plain stupid. In Mighty Avengers there fighting a bunch of giant monsters and Ms. Marvel is worried about property damage? Even worse the govt. is gonna give them a hard time about it? There's no good reason for that other then some far fetched example of a hospital losing power which is in no way shape or form the heroes fault since it's the VILLIANS who are to blame since they attacked in the first place. Everyone loves to use the Military as an example for the SHRA (which is specious) so do you really think the Marines would give a damn about property damage in a war?

I see SHRA more as an internal regulation of a 'militia.' More of a SWAT team/Police force regulation.
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> Controlling things from within. Supposedly as director of SHIELD Ironman can keep things reasonable except that in Mighty Avengers he makes it clear he doesn't have control since if they don't bring in the New Avengers "they" will. Crap crap crap.

Seems logical, but, administrations change and even the best meaning things can go wrong. Which is how MARVEL will bring Cap back to save the day and fill their pockets some more..ooops.. \:D
>
> I'm sure I'll think of more later but I gots to go.

> > I just read Captain America #25, NA #28, and Mighty Avengers #1 which has provoked some CW thoughts.
> >
> > Now, to be fair, Ironman tried to make the best of a bad situation...but he's still a moron for supporting this. Here's a couple of points that have been argued in support of the SHRA.
>
> I think he acted more rationally, and Cap finally realised this at the end, throughout SHRA. Stark acted like an adult. It made Cap look real bad, IMO.

He practically declared himself smarter then the rest of the world and nothing he did was what you would call "orderly fashion", but a witch hunt to use the fear that the Stamford incident created to mold the U.S to his image. He started a possible war with Atlantes to get more superhumans to sign and get more public support which means that he'll perhaps cause more innocent people to die. He decided that he knew what was best for the world and proved that he was the wrong man for the job because the U.S. is now hanging on a thread which is why the reporters from Frontline decided to not print their story that Tony was a nut case traitor because of how delicate Tony has made things and it would surely start the war.

He made things worse and is now trying to control more then he can handle which is why Dum-Dum thinks that a disaster is going to happen to S.H.I.E.L.D. because Tony doesn't seem to get on why S.H.I.E.L.D. was created and some politicians seem to have the same concern even though Iron Man had some successful missions that's similiar to what the Avengers had, but once he goes into the serious S.H.I.E.L.D. missions that Fury and Dum-Dum have experience in then that event with Hydra and the helibase almost crashing into Manhattan will probably happen again, but this time it will happen since the first time was meant to be a distraction to get Spider-Woman.

Tony has no idea what he's doing because he's too busy thinking he's going to make the world a better place in his little box that he's living in. Cap may be a 1940's man, but at least he was aware of the fact that Tony and Hills were endangering innocent people, powers or not, and their families for a crime that was committed by others and drafting them into government property, even though they say it's something else, but the pro-regs are on their way to creating a disater that's bigger then the Stamford incident because they're no different or better then the Squadron Supreme when they took over their country and did questionable things to create a false crime free state because they were the criminals now, because there are some things, some realities, that even a law can't change.
> >
> > The will of the people. Supposedly there the ones who want the SHRA but they didn't seem too happy when Cap was going to court being dragged around like a common criminal. What did there signs say? Oh yeah, "free Captain America" even though he broke the precious law. Hell, I even saw a few "SHRA is fascist" type signs in the crowd. So exactly which people are we talking about?
>
> Obviously Cap supporters would be outside court. Second, SHRA is as 'fascist' as regulating a Police Force. This whole series has been an over the top allegory for current events, which are also over the top.
> >
> > Property damage. This is just plain stupid. In Mighty Avengers there fighting a bunch of giant monsters and Ms. Marvel is worried about property damage? Even worse the govt. is gonna give them a hard time about it? There's no good reason for that other then some far fetched example of a hospital losing power which is in no way shape or form the heroes fault since it's the VILLIANS who are to blame since they attacked in the first place. Everyone loves to use the Military as an example for the SHRA (which is specious) so do you really think the Marines would give a damn about property damage in a war?
>
> I see SHRA more as an internal regulation of a 'militia.' More of a SWAT team/Police force regulation.
> >
> > Controlling things from within. Supposedly as director of SHIELD Ironman can keep things reasonable except that in Mighty Avengers he makes it clear he doesn't have control since if they don't bring in the New Avengers "they" will. Crap crap crap.
>
> Seems logical, but, administrations change and even the best meaning things can go wrong. Which is how MARVEL will bring Cap back to save the day and fill their pockets some more..ooops.. \:D
> >
> > I'm sure I'll think of more later but I gots to go.