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Tiger Shark

In Reply To
Dr. Shallot

Subj: How About This Scerario? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 11:41:37 am EDT
Reply Subj: I agree to a point...
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 11:27:48 am EDT

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> ....if Marvel can take the time to update/revitalize their heroes, then they can do the same to their villains. I'm sure, under the right writer, the Grey Gargoyle can come up with brilliant ideas to use his power in some new way that will take the heros off-guard. But then, most Marvel writers don't bother with charcters like the Grey Gargoyle, unless they are used as cannon fodder (unless it's their golden boys like Hydra, the Wrecker and his Wrecking Crew, Mr. Hyde, and the Rhino).

I agree that it only takes a creative writer to make an old villain interesting again.

However, I disagree with the Rhino being a current golden boy. In a recent Sensational Spider-man arc he gave Spidey a good thrashing...off-panel. That wasn't too irritating because the main point of the arc was to deal with the women in his life and how they reacted to this situation. Later in the arc the Black Cat encountered a drunken Rhino and convinced him to rethink his current status. Apparently the point was lost because from what I've heard he then got punked by the Punisher rather easily. Rhino's seen better days.
Mr. Hyde may be used to good affect in the current Sensational arc, that remains to be seen. The wrecking crew seems to be the bad guys of choice when a writer needs some tough foes that never seem to win. And I agree about Hydra, they are all over the place and get tiresome quickly. I do like how Brubaker and Fraction are using them in Iron Fist though.

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....working with a criminal teleporter, say, Spiral (or, say, Diablo), the GG and Spiral teleport into the Oval Office, the GG taps Bush on the neck from behind, and they teleport out, either with the stone Bush statue, or leaving it behind to be found by the secret service--or perhaps first crushing it into rubble.

They might do this on their own, but more likely, as a huge terrorist attack on the country or the West itself by a new Masters of Evil.

Bingo. The GG has just been 'intelligently used.' ThatGuy speaks as if the GG's limited powers in themselves make him a patsy. Most heroes and criminals have limited powers.

And speaking of Diablo, Kurt made great creative use of him during his Avengers run.

Just because a villain was used in the Silver Age...ah, thinking they're useless is most likely a prejudice of 'those who weren't there then.'

And that does make a difference, because to newer readers who first encounter Diablo in an FF Essentials volume, OF COURSE he seems 'dated' and 'older.' They're coming at him from an entirely different perspective than readers are who were 'there then' and grew with him, the GG, and a zillion other good and bad guys and gals.


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