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spiderprince

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clayton

Subj: Re: I'm a teen too... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:40:56 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: I'm a teen too... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 07:19:25 am EDT

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> > > > I call bullshit on that. If I'm in target practice and I go
> > > > bonkers and shoot some poor sap in the head, its not the fault of
> > > > whatever I saw that inadvertantly freaked me out or the
> > > > instructors for giving me a gun because that was the whole point
> > > > of the excerise. No one in the room was expecting Armory to freak
> > > > out to the extent that she did.
>
> Call bullshit all you want, had this happened in the real world, the people in charge would likely be held criminally negligent. At this point in her training, she shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near target practice, especially against REAL PEOPLE.
>
> > > Oh that's completely ridiculous. They put these raw untrained kids
> > > into a major combat simulation together, not knowing anything about
> > > their powers and its the kids fault?
> >
> > Raw and untrained or not, Armory still saw it as a good idea to take
> > down Ultimo singlehandedly. And yes, they had researched her powers
> > and she had claimed that the weapon had a safety.
>
> Armory should have never ever ever ever EVER EVER EVER EVER been placed in a position where she would come up with the idea to take down anyone, singlehandedly or not. Not at this stage in her training. You don't send raw and untrained people to do things like this.
>

Nobody sent her to go take down Ultimo. She did that herself because she thought it would be cool as her own special little hero debut.

> This was about 100 times worse than the event that sparked the Civil War, even if the death count was lower, because they're supposed to be preventing precisely this sort of thing.
>
> > > Give me a f**cking break. If it was the kids fault, why in the
> > > world would the powers that be cover it up?
> >
> > Because kids screwing up at the cost of the lives of innocents with
> > powers they fell ass backwards into was what spawned all of this.
> > Its bad PR.
>
> You're aware that PR is an unadulterated evil thing, right? What you're proposing is lying to save face.

In this case, the public is too reactive for them not to cover this up. What is being atempted in Stanford, the training of young superhumans who seem to need it desperately, is a good thing. An accident occurred. When youre dealing with kids who could kill people with their brain in highstress situations (and in the case of Armory, low stress situations) deadly situations can and will occur.


>
> > > because they would be shut down and shut down fast, thats why.
> > >
> > > and why would they be shut down?
> > >
> > > BECAUSE ITS THEIR RESPONIBILITY TO MAKE SURE SHIT LIKE THIS DOESNT
> > > HAPPEN.
> >
> > The scandal here isnt that the kid died, but that he died in a
> > stanfordeque manner IN STANFORD.
>
> Wrong. The scandal here is that the trained people screwed up.
>

People die in basic training all the time. In Israel, they use real ammunition durring training excercises. Shit happens, but the greater good of what the army is trying to accomplish by training these soldiers trumps whatever the public might say if the deaths were heavily publisized. What happened to set off Armory was stupid beyond reason and could have happened anywhere one the base. notice that Trauma was not using his powers ON armory, but using them AROUND armory. Its not a physic image thing. He actually became a spider and was about to go mow down some robots.

> > Plus, what did the heroes do after the incident? they took away her
> > powers and kicked her out. Good for them. Thats more responsibility
> > than has been seen in the Marvel Universe in a Long Long time.
>
> Nevermind that she did nothing wrong.


no, she freaked out and killed a guy with lasers because she couldnt handle seeing a giant spider. She proved herself to be unfit to use the vast and unlimited power she fell assbackwards into.

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>

> Nobody sent her to go take down Ultimo. She did that herself because she thought it would be cool as her own special little hero debut.

Yup. I don't think anyone is disputing that.

> In this case, the public is too reactive for them not to cover this up. What is being atempted in Stanford, the training of young superhumans who seem to need it desperately, is a good thing. An accident occurred. When youre dealing with kids who could kill people with their brain in highstress situations (and in the case of Armory, low stress situations) deadly situations can and will occur.

But the point of the base is to reduce the chances of that happening, which they completely failed at by placing these kids in such a situation without much forethought. Did Gauntlet even know what Trauma's powers were? Seems like he didn't.

> People die in basic training all the time. In Israel, they use real ammunition durring training excercises. Shit happens, but the greater good of what the army is trying to accomplish by training these soldiers trumps whatever the public might say if the deaths were heavily publisized. What happened to set off Armory was stupid beyond reason and could have happened anywhere one the base. notice that Trauma was not using his powers ON armory, but using them AROUND armory. Its not a physic image thing. He actually became a spider and was about to go mow down some robots.

I understand that, but sorry, I still fail to see how you don't hold Gauntlet responsible even a little. A simple "Hey, this could freak you out" would have worked for me.

> no, she freaked out and killed a guy with lasers because she couldnt handle seeing a giant spider. She proved herself to be unfit to use the vast and unlimited power she fell assbackwards into.

A giant spider that she, as an untrained hero, is deadly afraid of. The reason she's there is to get training to be able to handle stressful sitations, not thrown ass first into a situation like that with any sort of warning.
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