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Attok12

Subj: Re: In defense of Slott
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 01:09:19 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: In defense of Slott
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:24:42 pm EDT

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I haven't seen the Bengal used in a while, but he was a South Vietnamese assassin whose parents were killed in Vietnam. He sought revenge on all of the American veterans involved in destruction of his village, including Will Talltrees/Red Wolf, Willie Lincoln, and even James Rhodes, a.k.a. War Machine, who is a member of Slott's cast. Not only does he not need training (although I understand the "be sent to camp or retire" bit), but he wants James Rhodes dead, dead, dead. So, if I had been writing the book, I would have had the Bengal willingly go to the camp just so he could get his mitts on Rhodes and kill him. I suppose that could still happen, but really. That would be an actual plotline. It's likely Slott just thought the Bengal was cool and stuffed him in the book so people who liked the character would say "Hey, it's the Bengal! I haven't seen him in a while! Cool!".

And that's one of the many problems with AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE (one that likely would have plagued any writer, I admit) -- there are too many characters in the book. Most will be background, blink and you'll miss 'em cameos. And the characters who do make up the main cast (Gauntlet, Trauma, that lizard chick, and the other newbies) are dull and uninteresting, both character-wise and visually. And it's also more cases of creating new characters when an old one would suffice. Instead of Cloud 9, Slott should have used Cloud from the Defenders. These two are practically the same, except for background. Why not use Cloud? Heck, Cloud could turn from a woman into a man and back again. That was interesting to read about during Gillis' NEW DEFENDERS run, so I wouldn't have minded seeing Cloud pull the same trick at Camp Hammond. Imagine the reactions. But now, with Cloud 9 around, we'll likely never see Cloud ever again....unless Ellis uses her and kills her off/maims her in Thunderbolts or something.

Ah, well. But hey, thanks for your polite response. \:\-\)


> And that's one of the many problems with AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE (one that likely would have plagued any writer, I admit) -- there are too many characters in the book. Most will be background, blink and you'll miss 'em cameos. And the characters who do make up the main cast (Gauntlet, Trauma, that lizard chick, and the other newbies) are dull and uninteresting, both character-wise and visually. And it's also more cases of creating new characters when an old one would suffice. Instead of Cloud 9, Slott should have used Cloud from the Defenders. These two are practically the same, except for background. Why not use Cloud? Heck, Cloud could turn from a woman into a man and back again. That was interesting to read about during Gillis' NEW DEFENDERS run, so I wouldn't have minded seeing Cloud pull the same trick at Camp Hammond. Imagine the reactions. But now, with Cloud 9 around, we'll likely never see Cloud ever again....unless Ellis uses her and kills her off/maims her in Thunderbolts or something.
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Too many characters and most will be background? Kinda' sounds like you're looking for things to complain about. Look at the cover of the book. Given the setting for the book, and the story being told (at least initially), I would expect a lot of characters coming and gong (and many of them in the background) regardless of who is writing.

And in regards to Cloud vs. Cloud 9, they are more than just power sets. Slott has set up Cloud 9 with secret identity issues since she's new to heroing (this helps emphasize that at Camp Hammond NO ONE should know any trainees real identity), and she made a rather appropriate comment about all female super heroes looking like they just stepped out of a fashion magazine. I assume he'll be exploring her body-image issues, as well.

I can't help but think that if he tried to do any of that with the Defenders' Cloud, the issues would have been distracted from by the nature of who/what she is.


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