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Omar Karindu

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zeus

Subj: Re: help me out here...
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 05:49:53 pm CDT
Reply Subj: help me out here...
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 05:05:45 pm CDT

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All good points. One problem I see in the running of this camp is that some people (Gyrich, Gauntlet) think they're training soldiers, and some (Yellowjacket, Justice) think they're training super-heroes. They're gonna have to make up thier minds fast if they plan on most of these kids surviving.

> -- The science staff at the base are all villainous: Curt Connors went mad in Spider-Man some years back, and the German guy's origin is fairly obvious.
>
Help me put 2 and 2 together here Omar. Tell me about the German guy.

> Despite those hints, Slott deliberately goes through the classic boot camp/sports film cliches with MVP, setting him up with his little romance, playing up his "decent kid gets a second shot" gimmick, and even giving him his big heroic moment of saving the girl.
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> And then he pays off all the little hints of uneasiness, and plays against his own rep as a light comedy writer, by blowing MVP's head off, and playing Gyrich and the new characters as completely compromised. 9Notice that the death scene is carefully set up so that only Gyrich, Gauntlet, and the Nazi scientist are witnesses to what actually happens.)
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Right. The "soldier trainers", not the "hero trainers".

And on a semi-related note, we haven't seen Bengal or Stingray training yet. If the hero trainers have thier way, Bengal & Stingray will probably get to skip basic training, and get something a bit more customized. If the soldier trainers get thier way, they'll probably have to go through everything just like the new recruits...

> All good points. One problem I see in the running of this camp is that some people (Gyrich, Gauntlet) think they're training soldiers, and some (Yellowjacket, Justice) think they're training super-heroes. They're gonna have to make up thier minds fast if they plan on most of these kids surviving.

Exactly...and Gyrich's militaristic and America-first ambitions are already at odds with the rest. He's clearly the guy who picked Gauntlet, after all, and the superheroes runnign the camp don't seem to know Gauntlet personally or anything.



> > -- The science staff at the base are all villainous: Curt Connors went mad in Spider-Man some years back, and the German guy's origin is fairly obvious.
> >
> Help me put 2 and 2 together here Omar. Tell me about the German guy.

Generally, mad scientists with German accents in comics invariably turn out to be ex-Nazis...when they don't turn out to be current Nazis. His interest in MVP's likely Super-Soldier Serum powers is another hint in this direction.

> > Despite those hints, Slott deliberately goes through the classic boot camp/sports film cliches with MVP, setting him up with his little romance, playing up his "decent kid gets a second shot" gimmick, and even giving him his big heroic moment of saving the girl.
> >
> > And then he pays off all the little hints of uneasiness, and plays against his own rep as a light comedy writer, by blowing MVP's head off, and playing Gyrich and the new characters as completely compromised. 9Notice that the death scene is carefully set up so that only Gyrich, Gauntlet, and the Nazi scientist are witnesses to what actually happens.)
> >
> Right. The "soldier trainers", not the "hero trainers".

Exactly.

> And on a semi-related note, we haven't seen Bengal or Stingray training yet. If the hero trainers have thier way, Bengal & Stingray will probably get to skip basic training, and get something a bit more customized. If the soldier trainers get thier way, they'll probably have to go through everything just like the new recruits...

At least in his Fabian Nicieza appearances -- the ones by his creator -- Bengal barely speaks English and was never captured or jailed so far as I know, so who knows how much the rest know about him. Stingray will be interesting to track, though.

It'll be interesting to see what happens there. Slott's also been careful in issue #1 to keep apart characters who already know each other -- Pym, not Justice, greets the bus with Rage on board.

- Omar Karindu

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