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Subj: Re: So, is there a crime the pro-reg side has NOT committed yet?
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 07:16:32 pm EDT
Reply Subj: So, is there a crime the pro-reg side has NOT committed yet?
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Tony and co have:
-Violated bioethics by cloning Thor
-Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin
-Manipulated the populace in a negative way
-Thrown people in prison without a trial
-Profitted from a war they helped set-up
-Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains
-Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter
-Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)
-Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology
-Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team
-Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war
-Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy

Did I miss anything?

P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.

> Tony and co have:
> -Violated bioethics by cloning Thor
> -Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin
> -Manipulated the populace in a negative way
> -Thrown people in prison without a trial
> -Profitted from a war they helped set-up
> -Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains
> -Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter
> -Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)
> -Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology
> -Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team
> -Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war
> -Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
> P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.

More ethical no-nos, even if not all are crimes:

- Through Tony Stark's wisdom, persuaded Peter Parker to give up the safety net of his secret identity (and if you recall, Tony set up a whole fake conflict to help push that manipulation). Indirectly this caused grave injury to one of Peter's loved ones. I almost laughed at The Initiative directive about not letting anyone know your secret ID after that.
- Persued Spidey as if he wasn't in compliance with the SHRA... when he was.Admittedly two different publications showed the conflict two different ways (one with Peter throwing the first punch and one with Tony doing so), but even if Peter HAD started it, all Peter was initially going to do, I believe, was leave Stark's physical custody. Which at that point he had ever right to do.
- Plenty of lies on a personal level. Carol Danvers has been shown as doing this multiple times for her lord and master, Tony.
- The betrayal of Songbird by Tony and his lackey, in Thunderbolts. She went through extraordinary lengths to prove her redemption, and in particular helped the Powers That Be out on a number of things. And so their repayment is apparently to put her at Norman Osborn's complete mercy. In its own way, this is as disgusting and slimy a move as what Stark did to Peter Parker. Tony has proved that he's an even worse "friend" to have than an enemy.
- For all that we hate her, in a way Tony's treatment of Maria Hill is indicative of what a scumball he's been transformed into. Yes, she's a moral zero in some ways, but you can tell that Tony liked being able to humble her and grind her under his Iron boot. Which I'd be okay with if he was any more moral than her. But he's not, so it makes his display disturbing and jut wrong. Immoral characters should be humbled by the righteous, not other immoral characters.
- If we are to believe recent developments in the FF and Black Panther comics, basically the Pro-Regers have invaded an alien world with intelligent owners for placement of their stupid prison. Yeah, real moral, jackholes!
- From an absolute moral standpoint, the way Tony used Norman Osborne was immoral. Not just the part about almost starting a war, but also the mere method. Now I know that objections to immorality against Evil people seem to ring hollow, but if you are looking at it from an absolute standard of what's right and wrong, the person the immoral act is against shouldn't matter. Some things are just wrong by principal.


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