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Subj: Re: Whoa wait a second... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 10:35:03 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Whoa wait a second...
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:51:30 pm EDT

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> Tony and co have:
> -Violated bioethics by cloning Thor

Is there a law against cloning Gods? I know there is one that applies to humans...Gods...not so sure plus to mention the fact that this was a cyborg

> -Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin

***Yeah they did that.

> -Manipulated the populace in a negative way

***Whats the law on that?

> -Thrown people in prison without a trial

People are put in jail without trial all the time...Thats where they stay bfore thier trial begins and we know that they eventually would have gotten one...Speedball was getting set for his and he was the first


> -Profitted from a war they helped set-up

War takes 2 sides...If cap had followed the law the war wouldnt have been started in the first place.


> -Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains

Nobody has been enslaved...they had a choice the murderous super villains were put on leashes.

> -Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter

***That was certainly unfortunate...but also can be seen as a pure accident.

> -Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)

***Exactly we are not sure and it is looking like an accident one with the fact it happened so long after he landed and it said warp core breach whch sounds like there was something broken

> -Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology

***% to 1 odds that MVP is still alive.


> -Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team

***What law is this? They allowed the greatest hero the world has ever known to become an Avenger and Ares technically is a diplomat as he is part of a royal family...I dont see a law being broken here


> -Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war

***1st this hasn't anything to do with pro reg. 2nd what could be seen as a weapon was used on citizens of earth and has been confiscated as a weapon because of national security.

> -Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy

***When did they plot this? They are keeping the possibility open in case it becomes necessary which imo is a smart move in case other countries try to go at the USA.
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
> P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.

> > Tony and co have:
> > -Violated bioethics by cloning Thor
>
> Is there a law against cloning Gods? I know there is one that applies to humans...Gods...not so sure plus to mention the fact that this was a cyborg
>
> > -Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin
>
> ***Yeah they did that.
>
> > -Manipulated the populace in a negative way
>
> ***Whats the law on that?

This poster should have qualified that a lot of stuff was immoral or unethical even if not illegal.

> > -Thrown people in prison without a trial
>
> People are put in jail without trial all the time...Thats where they stay bfore thier trial begins and we know that they eventually would have gotten one...Speedball was getting set for his and he was the first
>
>
> > -Profitted from a war they helped set-up
>
> War takes 2 sides...If cap had followed the law the war wouldnt have been started in the first place.

I think you misunderstand the claim. The poster isn't talking about the winner taking the spoils, they are talking about war profiteering--about Tony Stark's companies making money by getting contracts to help win a war he started.

>
> > -Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains
>
> Nobody has been enslaved...they had a choice the murderous super villains were put on leashes.

Call it indenture instead of slavery then. Its not much better.

And controlling people's actions through mind control, drugs and electro-mechanical manipulation isn't really ethical (and probably not legal by most analysis) no matter who the person involved is, murderous criminal or not.

> > -Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter
>
> ***That was certainly unfortunate...but also can be seen as a pure accident.

Sure. Then again, there's a moral problem for many with creating a being just to be your enforcer. If villains do it we call it bad. Why is it any better when "heroes" do it?

> > -Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)
>
> ***Exactly we are not sure and it is looking like an accident one with the fact it happened so long after he landed and it said warp core breach whch sounds like there was something broken

I do think it was an accident. Then again even that shows a certain degree of irresponsibility. If you send a big huge nuclear powered device to a planet, you probably should check up to make sure it went where you assume it would and that nothing else has gone wrong. Same goes for someone you exile.

> > -Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology
>
> ***% to 1 odds that MVP is still alive.

Top of the head blown off seems pretty clear.

I was also bothered by the fact that the "hero" who manipulated that girl into freaking out didn't get booted too.

>
> > -Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team
>
> ***What law is this? They allowed the greatest hero the world has ever known to become an Avenger and Ares technically is a diplomat as he is part of a royal family...I dont see a law being broken here

The above statement could also be about the Thunderbolts, couldn't it?

>
> > -Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war
>
> ***1st this hasn't anything to do with pro reg. 2nd what could be seen as a weapon was used on citizens of earth and has been confiscated as a weapon because of national security.
>
> > -Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy
>
> ***When did they plot this? They are keeping the possibility open in case it becomes necessary which imo is a smart move in case other countries try to go at the USA.
> >
> > Did I miss anything?

You missed the Black Panther book, although I can understand hesitance to read a book which has often been written so disgustingly bad. The U.S. has been consistently plotting to pre-emptively overthrow Wakanda for a while. And Stark's little fake war basically led to a fait accompli that they had to plan to overthrow Atlantis as well, although that has been delayed actually happening by other plots in the M.U. Also, not returning the Terragin Mists to the Inhumans was not only close to a declaration of war, it also probably inevitably would lead to an inevitable unseating of their governmental at some point if they don't get them back. The U.S. government had to know that.

> >
> > P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.


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