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Omar Karindu

Subj: Re: I'm a teen too... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 01:22:17 pm EDT
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 01:03:58 pm EDT

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> > Nobody sent her to go take down Ultimo. She did that herself because she thought it would be cool as her own special little hero debut.
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> Yup. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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> > In this case, the public is too reactive for them not to cover this up. What is being atempted in Stanford, the training of young superhumans who seem to need it desperately, is a good thing. An accident occurred. When youre dealing with kids who could kill people with their brain in highstress situations (and in the case of Armory, low stress situations) deadly situations can and will occur.
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> But the point of the base is to reduce the chances of that happening, which they completely failed at by placing these kids in such a situation without much forethought. Did Gauntlet even know what Trauma's powers were? Seems like he didn't.
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> > People die in basic training all the time. In Israel, they use real ammunition durring training excercises. Shit happens, but the greater good of what the army is trying to accomplish by training these soldiers trumps whatever the public might say if the deaths were heavily publisized. What happened to set off Armory was stupid beyond reason and could have happened anywhere one the base. notice that Trauma was not using his powers ON armory, but using them AROUND armory. Its not a physic image thing. He actually became a spider and was about to go mow down some robots.
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> I understand that, but sorry, I still fail to see how you don't hold Gauntlet responsible even a little. A simple "Hey, this could freak you out" would have worked for me.
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> > no, she freaked out and killed a guy with lasers because she couldnt handle seeing a giant spider. She proved herself to be unfit to use the vast and unlimited power she fell assbackwards into.
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> A giant spider that she, as an untrained hero, is deadly afraid of. The reason she's there is to get training to be able to handle stressful sitations, not thrown ass first into a situation like that with any sort of warning.
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Except that most people, including teenagers, do not encounter their greatest fears and begin randomly firing weapons around the room in a blind panic. If Armory is that wiggy and violent, there's an argument that she was a disaster waiting to happen. What happens if she's out on an SHRA hunt and runs into Spider-Man?

I realize that the counterargument is that these kids should have their phobias and reactions researched...except that this in turn conflicts with Tony Stark's promise to keep all personally identifying information to himself. It's the flaw in his system, and in the end of Civil War -- training an army whose members you're not allowed to do background research on.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey

> Except that most people, including teenagers, do not encounter their greatest fears and begin randomly firing weapons around the room in a blind panic. If Armory is that wiggy and violent, there's an argument that she was a disaster waiting to happen. What happens if she's out on an SHRA hunt and runs into Spider-Man?

I think we have to see this in the same light as Dani Moonstar's original Mirage powers. Her illusions were visible to other but only had real resonance to the target who would usually freak out completely. This wasn't just _a_ common or garden spider, which probably would have been a cause of a panic attack, but the giant REAL manifestation of the most nightmarish spider-thing that lurks in her subconscious... I figure that since that's Trauma's power, he'd caused ANYONE to panic to that extent. The fact it was Armory shouldn't really be held against her, anyone with long range powers would probably have done the same.

> I realize that the counterargument is that these kids should have their phobias and reactions researched...except that this in turn conflicts with Tony Stark's promise to keep all personally identifying information to himself. It's the flaw in his system, and in the end of Civil War -- training an army whose members you're not allowed to do background research on.

I think this is specifically more of a failure to find out what Trauma's POWERS were, or what effect they might have on other people. Armory was a sacrifical lamb... suppose his power had depended on sucking life force to the point of death? Gauntlet and Gyrich didn't ask what he might do to her, and they didn't seem to care.


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