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Sandman

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MysteryMan

Subj: Re: Wow...make much up?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:10:38 pm CDT
Reply Subj: Wow...make much up?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:03:47 pm CDT

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> Tony and co have:
> -Violated bioethics by cloning Thor

Thats YOUR opinion...many of us don't happen to see the word clone and think Evil.

> -Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin

With a country that has attacked them many times...that were activated sleeper agents and killing US citizens with their spies and troops...they SHOULD outright declare war on Atlantis.

> -Manipulated the populace in a negative way

That was Cap...Tony supported the "peoples" decisions...thr anti-regs tried to make "normals" into lemmings with their propoganda

> -Thrown people in prison without a trial

Yes in preparation for a trial...would you have prefered they tag and release them back into the wild?

> -Profitted from a war they helped set-up

Actually all that money was used to repair the damage and to set up training facilities...it was clarified Tony did not "personally" profit from this.

> -Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains

They aer not enslaved...and if you mean TBolts for the 80 millionth time...Tony has nothing to do with there current state.

> -Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter

Let's see ... Tony legally enforcing the law...armed vigilanties resisting the law, after they were asked to talk rather then fight. Analogous to police trying to talk to bank robbers...and the orbbers open fire and one of them dies in the resulting shootout...nope...sorry thats not the definition of homicide or manslaughter.

> -Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)

Everything was fine until Hulk lost his temper and those guys messed with the engines.

> -Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology

What do you know as facts here...you seem to just assume here

> -Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team

You never made a post about Cap's original recruitment of him...but thats ok right, because you lked the idea then and hey Cap can be a dictator if he wants right?

> -Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war

Who exactly stole it and who said they could not have it back?

> -Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy

Who...what..which...where...when?

> Did I miss anything?
>
> P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.

Yeah and the aliens kidnapped you and used all horrible types of probes on you as well too....right?

> > Tony and co have:
> > -Violated bioethics by cloning Thor
>
> Thats YOUR opinion...many of us don't happen to see the word clone and think Evil.
>
> > -Nearly started a war by unleashing the Green Goblin
>
> With a country that has attacked them many times...that were activated sleeper agents and killing US citizens with their spies and troops...they SHOULD outright declare war on Atlantis.
>
> > -Manipulated the populace in a negative way
>
> That was Cap...Tony supported the "peoples" decisions...thr anti-regs tried to make "normals" into lemmings with their propoganda

He supported their fears by starting a war with Atlantis and probably gave out fake shows of heroism like perhaps that Doombot, but he treated the "people" like children behind their backs and self-claimed himself as the one who knows what's best for everyone.
>
> > -Thrown people in prison without a trial
>
> Yes in preparation for a trial...would you have prefered they tag and release them back into the wild?

No trial! they either register and work for him or they can rot there outside the U.S. borders!
>
> > -Profitted from a war they helped set-up
>
> Actually all that money was used to repair the damage and to set up training facilities...it was clarified Tony did not "personally" profit from this.

Yes he did. He's now more powerful then the president himself and is doing things that says that he's the one in charge. He's a dictator hiding behind the curtains.
>
> > -Enslaved and unleashed murderous super-villains
>
> They aer not enslaved...and if you mean TBolts for the 80 millionth time...Tony has nothing to do with there current state.

But he created the situation. He foolishly gave the wrong people more power.
>
> > -Arguable responsible for the death of Bill Foster either as negilgant homicide or manslaughter
>
> Let's see ... Tony legally enforcing the law...armed vigilanties resisting the law, after they were asked to talk rather then fight. Analogous to police trying to talk to bank robbers...and the orbbers open fire and one of them dies in the resulting shootout...nope...sorry thats not the definition of homicide or manslaughter.

A law that's against the constitution and the talks ended up like traps which is why Cap did the buzz hand shake with Iron Man, because he knew what was going to happen to him and the rest if they were captured, because S.H.I.E.L.D. was dirty and probably still is while Tony only thinks he's in charge.
>
> > -Destroyed Planet Skaara (I'm still not clear if this was an accident or if they actually left a bomb to try and kill the hulk if he ever tried to leave)
>
> Everything was fine until Hulk lost his temper and those guys messed with the engines.

It shouldn't have happened in the first place. The pro-regs have been so sloppy with saving themselves that a lot of people got hurt or killed.
>
> > -Covered-up the death of a student and perhaps set the whole thing up to acquire some technology
>
> What do you know as facts here...you seem to just assume here

Armory wasn't the one who screwed up. everything was going fine until Trauma used his powers on her which means it wasn't a controlled situation which the adults were responsible for. It was sloppy work there by the so called professionals and they took her weapon and kicked her out after what they done.

Seeing how the pro-regs have been running things, I wouldn't be surprised that they told Trauma to use his powers on her as a practice run, but they were hoping they can use it as a reason to take the weapon from her and make it legal, while MVP's death was unexpected and irresponsible, and now it looks like they may keep the body to make a version of the super-soldier serum for S.H.I.E.L.D. agents which is disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if Armory joined the "new" New Warriors and take down this corrupted faction that acts like heroes, but are trying to take over to save themselves while fooling themselves.
>
> > -Allowed a mentally unstable power house into stressful situations and recruited a known sociopath on the same team
>
> You never made a post about Cap's original recruitment of him...but thats ok right, because you lked the idea then and hey Cap can be a dictator if he wants right?

You mean the Punisher? Cap didn't have a choice, while Iron Man was too busy thinking the human race was too stupid to take care of themselves. The Civil War was Tony and Hill's creation and Cap was simply trying to save the the world from the fascism that the pro-regs were creating which is no different to what the nazi party did to gain power.
>
> > -Stole the Terrigan Mists from the Inhumans and refused to return it possible starting another war
>
> Who exactly stole it and who said they could not have it back?

The U.S. government, "DUH!"
>
> > -Plotting the overthrow of forgein governments that oppose the current U. S. Policy
>
> Who...what..which...where...when?

Again Tony foolishly gave power to the wrong people and are threatening to invade Black Panther's country for their own selfish purposes.
>
> > Did I miss anything?
> >
> > P. S. I know all of this isn't Tony Stark, only about half of it. That is why I said Tony and Co. however he is the primary leader and has his hand in just about everything some way or another.
>
> Yeah and the aliens kidnapped you and used all horrible types of probes on you as well too....right?


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