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MysteryMan

In Reply To
Piotr W.

Subj: Re: Seriously?
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:09:17 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Seriously?
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:54:35 am EDT

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> That depends...what if I had these amazing powers to do good but was taken out of the equation.
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> Years later I come back and my friends tells me he used some of my DNA to help preserve democracy from another of my friends who thought he was better then everyone else.

Ah, but you're using some pretty biased language here \:\-\)

When it comes to Captain America's actions, you wrote some lengthy sentences about how he thought he was better than everyone else etc.

At the same time, you're actually putting Iron Man's actions into some very kind words, greatly lessening they impact. MM, Stark didn't simply "use some of Thor's DNA to help preserve democracy". He took Thor's DNA without his permission at the time Thor was *alive* and *could* be asked for it! And more, Stark didn't "save the democracy" in some abstract way. He created a cyborg-clone without free will to be used as a weapon!

I'm not trying to debate merit of Cap's actions, because they have no bearing on the fact that what Stark did, was blatantly immoral. if you defend Stark, you should as well defend Doom or Magneto.

> > That depends...what if I had these amazing powers to do good but was taken out of the equation.
> >
> > Years later I come back and my friends tells me he used some of my DNA to help preserve democracy from another of my friends who thought he was better then everyone else.
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> Ah, but you're using some pretty biased language here \:\-\)

Almost everything you originally said was completely biased...so I felt free to use the same such bias from the other side of the equation.

> When it comes to Captain America's actions, you wrote some lengthy sentences about how he thought he was better than everyone else etc.

And everything you said about & CO's actions were extremely scewed if not outright wrong.

> At the same time, you're actually putting Iron Man's actions into some very kind words, greatly lessening they impact. MM, Stark didn't simply "use some of Thor's DNA to help preserve democracy". He took Thor's DNA without his permission at the time Thor was *alive* and *could* be asked for it! And more, Stark didn't "save the democracy" in some abstract way. He created a cyborg-clone without free will to be used as a weapon!

As opposed to you putting those actions into overly bad light? It's your tactic not to debate with logic but emotions. How do you know he took it without Thors permission...you know the guy that was injured multiple times while working for the govt. Who was patched up more then once after fights...dont you think they had some medical records on him so as to better treat him? The DNA was used after they thought he was dead. We dont really know HOW they got the DNA.

This clone used as a weapon argument is a tired...Cap was created to defends democracy...oh wait under your definition Cap was created to be a weapon...yeah yeah..Cap is a weapon that was created to fight for democracy but ended his days fighting against it. I guess according to you Tony should have left his Iron Suit at home...because its a freaking weapon.

> I'm not trying to debate merit of Cap's actions, because they have no bearing on the fact that what Stark did, was blatantly immoral. if you defend Stark, you should as well defend Doom or Magneto.

Sure they do...Cap's actions started a WAR...in WAR you fight a WAR...it's no longer just a brawl in the ring...it's a WAR. You use weapons in a WAR...both sides use WEAPONS...BOTH, because you know it's a WAR.

See there you go again...Tony's actions are NOT the same as Doom's or Magneto's. You dont debate you just say I dont like it so thats EVIL!

Well how about this then...they are ALL EVIL...every character in the comics now because either they have joined the pro-reg side or are in hiding breaking the law because they consider themselves above it.


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