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Subj: Re: This week's grabbings - Fallen Son and FF #545 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 11:21:25 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: This week's grabbings - Fallen Son and FF #545 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:33:21 pm EDT

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What have you done with the original Fiasco, Fiasco1?



> This weeks books for me were Daredevil #96, Fantastic Four #545, and Fallen Son The Avengers.
> Haven't read Daredevil yet. Enjoyed FF. Didn't quite care for Fallen, though it had interesting moments. That's my spoiler free review.

For me it was FF and Silent War. I put back Fallen Son after some internal debate.
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> To comment on the 2 books I read (which will include some spoilers but i'll try to keep them mild, so stop reading here if you don't want them):
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> I like the FF right now. We're getting action, characterization, guest stars, and humor and that's what the damn FF oughtta be. It's not the greatest FF has ever been, but in just a few issues, I feel McDuffie has essentially blown the doors off of JMS' run on the series. I didn't HATE JMS' take on the book, mind you, but after reading these, I think that THIS is representative of the types of stories that make FF the book it should be. It's cosmic, the characters are in character - I think that the Thing has been shown in this issue to be more the guy i've enjoyed over the years - not the docile person that we've been shown of recent times, but someone who jumps into the fray and reconsiders it later. Maybe someone will disagree, but that's my feel on it. The art is okay, not the greatest for me, but it works here and it's not distracting from the story - best part about this ish for me was the letters page, wherein Joltin' Joe Sinnott writes to the book - Joe is one of my, (if not THE) all-time favorite inkers. He gets some props here and I think he really deserves them.

Sinnot's letter deserved to be in the anniversary issue, not this one. They should have dumped DeFalco's letter to make room. His FF run sucked. Anyway, I'm enjoying McDuffie's stint thus far, but one has to ask: can 3 or 4 panels ruin what was otherwise a good story? I'm talking about what may become an infamous scene-BP bouncing from rock to rock onto Surfer's board, then slapping some arm-lock move on the Surfer that Norin can't get out of, and threatening to rip his arm off. Now I know you could say that the Surfer just "allowed" this to happen, but I think it came across as pretty lame. If this was an attempt to make the Panther looked bad-ass it failed. In a way it seems as if BP and Storm have hijacked the book a bit. And is it me, or is Pelletier's rendition of the Thing very similar to to movie version? I swore in one panel I was looking at Michael Chiklis. Panther obviously has a plan that he's not telling the other team members(Gee, not too different from Reed is he?) and next issue promises another Panther/Surfer battle. Maybe after BP and Storm leave the FF can hire two WWE wrestlers to take their place if wrestling moves are needed to take down cosmic powered foes. I think I answered my own question-Yes, those few panels did drag the book down for me quite a bit.
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> Fallen Son? Oy, where do I begin? Maybe i'm bummed about Cap being dead, but I felt the first issue was a little "forced." By that, I mean - Wolverine asking Daredevil to pitch in so he can tell if Crossbones is a liar. DD just felt tacked on to the story. Like Loeb is trying to include as many Marvel heroes in the story as he can just to have them appear at some point as it progresses. Also, Iron Man's posturing has become a HUGE annoyance to me - CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET THIS ONCE-PROUD CHARACTER REDEEM HIMSELF? Anyway, FS Avengers is more of the same. Mighty Avengers in a fight I could care less about, and Thing and the New Avengers playing poker in a game that depresses (probably intentionally) more than it entertains. The Thing (personality-wise) starts off the story - I have to assume that even though he's registered, the New Avengers trust him enough with their secret hq's location. A couple Young Avengers also appear in New Avenger's hq - I was under the impression they had registered? Maybe I was wrong, but they are there in Doc Strange's with the rest. As for the story itself? Well....I guess we'll see more of Spidey's reaction in his turn on this series, but so-far Loeb has portrayed him like a blubbering child. Seriously. Spidey. Hey Loeb...the guy has lost his Uncle, his Aunt, is currently losing her again, his first love - countless loved ones....I think he can handle Cap's death better than this. I suppose of all the characters that Marvel HAS to draw upon for this "role" in the story, it makes sense to use Pete this way..but, like I said at the outset...it feels "forced." I am considering dropping the series, despite high hopes. It IS what Marvel promised, but i'm not getting out of it what I expected. That's not Marvel's fault...maybe I needed to suspend expectations. If I had, i'd probably be more tolerant and appreciative of this story. Maybe someone who liked it alot can add their view of it. Sometimes getting a different perspective helps to like something more.

I agree with your thoughts about the first issue. I felt the same way about Daredevil's appearance and Iron Man's posturing. Plus I don't care for Yu's art.
I thought the latest issue looked solid art-wise, but didn't seem interesting enough to warrant a purchase. I agree with your opinion of Spidey, he's been devolved to a weepy adolescent. I also think the "if I beat you I'll get respect" motivation for Tiger Shark was cliched. Plus he basically serves as a punching bag for Ms. Marvel. TS is a bad-ass, he should have landed some blows. I noticed some jokes about Sentry's therapy. I'm sorry, the depiction of the Avengers as a bunch of jokesters doesn't sit well with me. Those were the things that jumped out at me, it may well be that the poker scenes were effective. I'll eventually pick it up, as I like to finish the mini's that I start.
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> That's my view of it anyway. Thanks!

I highly recommend Silent War. It was another great issue and the title I'm looking forward to the most every month. If Hine were ever handed an Inhumans series I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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> What have you done with the original Fiasco, Fiasco1?


Apparently, i've fattened his fingers. That was a typo!



> For me it was FF and Silent War. I put back Fallen Son after some internal debate.


I actually do get Silent War also, but my LCS never got their supply for some odd reason. I'm told i'll have it by next week.


Maybe after BP and Storm leave the FF can hire two WWE wrestlers to take their place if wrestling moves are needed to take down cosmic powered foes. I think I answered my own question-Yes, those few panels did drag the book down for me quite a bit.


Yeah, and quite frankly, Thing was once a wrestler. I'd have believed in the move more had it been him that applied it on Surfer. I guess they needed something for BP to do that looked badass. Came across more like 'sadass' to me...but I deferred it to the explaination you mentioned, that Surfer probably didn't want to hurt BP.
As for Sinnott, i'm looking forward to the "lost" issue of FF #102 that he is working on. Old school fun, I hope.


> I agree with your thoughts about the first issue. I felt the same way about Daredevil's appearance and Iron Man's posturing. Plus I don't care for Yu's art.
> I thought the latest issue looked solid art-wise, but didn't seem interesting enough to warrant a purchase. I agree with your opinion of Spidey, he's been devolved to a weepy adolescent. I also think the "if I beat you I'll get respect" motivation for Tiger Shark was cliched. Plus he basically serves as a punching bag for Ms. Marvel. TS is a bad-ass, he should have landed some blows. I noticed some jokes about Sentry's therapy. I'm sorry, the depiction of the Avengers as a bunch of jokesters doesn't sit well with me. Those were the things that jumped out at me, it may well be that the poker scenes were effective. I'll eventually pick it up, as I like to finish the mini's that I start.


Yeah these Avengers seem to be a real jerky bunch. Picking on a teammate because he's getting therapy? Nothing like backstabbery and behind the back slandering to make a team gel, I guess.
It's gotten to a point at Marvel where a bad guy needs to be near omnipotent in order to present any kind of challenge. Bad guys are either recruited to fight for the government or they tend to get the floor mopped up with themselves in rapid fashion. I wish Joe Q would worry less about Spidey's marriage and focus more on the treatment of so-called "lesser" characters like Tiger Shark. I hate to say it, because there's been a reversal of attitudes on the comic company landscape - DC has reinvigorated their classic villains to a point where they always seem fairly fresh and exciting when they appear - Marvel needs to wake up (in some of their books, not all)- treat the bad guy like a supporting character, instead of a punching bag, and you won't need Civil Wars to drum up interest. Nor will you need to create any Collective's for your heroes to fight.
(This has been my long-winded way of agreeing with you, by the way)


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