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SourceMole

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MysteryMan

Subj: Re: Some of this logic is so silly it amazes me.... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:44:58 am EDT
Reply Subj: Some of this logic is so silly it amazes me....
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:23:32 am EDT

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> > > > ***A skrull would have pushed for the chaos that was pre-SHRA.
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> >
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> > ***The skrull situation seems to stem back from a looooongg time ago before there was a SHRA...
>
> Yes, and note they didn't try to take over during THAT time, because of the fragmentary nature of the heroes, ONLY after the SHRA was in force.

Because they INFILTRATE first...it takes time...thats the way the Skrulls work...seriously 1st time this argument those of you who are anti-SHRA say it's SHRA's fault they were so easy to infiltrate...shown this cannot be true it looks like your looking for another reason the blame SHRA.

> >as far as the effectiveness of the act itself...hell it was said in Civil War itself that crime had gone down like 40% or some number...
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> Have you noticed any particualr drop in villainous activity in the MU? Can't say that I have.

Yes...over and over it has been mentioned...but guess what...those comics we read...they arnt going to focus on all the down time...they are going to focus on what crime there is left.

> >there are now teams every where in the country and not just NY,
>
> Yes, and that means there's a Skrull agent within each group of heroes. They might have been better positioned to take over NY before, now they're better positioned to take over the COUNTRY!

No...they could have infiltrated anywhere with the chaos that was pre-SHRA.

> >and it doesn't just have to do with super villains but when people just need help...they have a genuine registered hero there to help them...It is because of the SHRA all the eggs are not in one place.
>
> I think you're misreading my point. The SHRA regulation has created an monolithic infrastructure for heroic activity which never existed before. By infiltrating that infrastructure, the Skrulls are in a vastly better position to strike than the pre-SHRA set up would allow, since it provides them with a framework for control, communication, and intel undreamed of before the SHRA.

They have shown it's anything BUT a monolithic structure. SHIELD is separate from The Thuinderbolts...is spearate from the Initiative...is Separate from the Avengers...is separate from the armed forces...is separate from the CIA...etc...

There are just requiements that those with the ability to destroy buildings...learn and train to not do so accidently.

> Look at it this way. In the past, if the Skrulls wanted to invade, the would have to fight the Avengers, then they would still have to attack the Defenders separately, because there was no correllation between the two teams, and the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men etc... A war on multiple fronts, each with their own backup plans, intel and technology to rely on.

Yeah thats great they can pick them off one at a time instead...thats the EXACT set-up that allowed the Earths teams to get infiltrated in the 1st place.

> Now the lucky Skrulls can, in one fell swoop, disable the internal communications which ALL these teams rely on, and by infiltrating the core, already have agents in those teams, who are in much better positions to share intel and communications with each other.

Well your one fell swoop didnt happen...they picked off the 2 Avengers teams that were isolated from others...the Initiative teams were responding in each of their areas...comm may be damaged but they still seem to be arriving.

> Advantage Skrulls...

Your right....thanks to the chaos that exised before they have set up and were ready to take us down period...if only they had enforced SHRA sooner.

> > > > > ***A skrull would have pushed for the chaos that was pre-SHRA.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ***The skrull situation seems to stem back from a looooongg time ago before there was a SHRA...
> >
> > Yes, and note they didn't try to take over during THAT time, because of the fragmentary nature of the heroes, ONLY after the SHRA was in force.
>
> Because they INFILTRATE first...it takes time...thats the way the Skrulls work...seriously 1st time this argument those of you who are anti-SHRA say it's SHRA's fault they were so easy to infiltrate...shown this cannot be true it looks like your looking for another reason the blame SHRA.
>
> > >as far as the effectiveness of the act itself...hell it was said in Civil War itself that crime had gone down like 40% or some number...
> >
> > Have you noticed any particualr drop in villainous activity in the MU? Can't say that I have.
>
> Yes...over and over it has been mentioned...but guess what...those comics we read...they arnt going to focus on all the down time...they are going to focus on what crime there is left.
>
> > >there are now teams every where in the country and not just NY,
> >
> > Yes, and that means there's a Skrull agent within each group of heroes. They might have been better positioned to take over NY before, now they're better positioned to take over the COUNTRY!
>
> No...they could have infiltrated anywhere with the chaos that was pre-SHRA.
>
> > >and it doesn't just have to do with super villains but when people just need help...they have a genuine registered hero there to help them...It is because of the SHRA all the eggs are not in one place.
> >
> > I think you're misreading my point. The SHRA regulation has created an monolithic infrastructure for heroic activity which never existed before. By infiltrating that infrastructure, the Skrulls are in a vastly better position to strike than the pre-SHRA set up would allow, since it provides them with a framework for control, communication, and intel undreamed of before the SHRA.
>
> They have shown it's anything BUT a monolithic structure. SHIELD is separate from The Thuinderbolts...is spearate from the Initiative...is Separate from the Avengers...is separate from the armed forces...is separate from the CIA...etc...
>
> There are just requiements that those with the ability to destroy buildings...learn and train to not do so accidently.
>
> > Look at it this way. In the past, if the Skrulls wanted to invade, the would have to fight the Avengers, then they would still have to attack the Defenders separately, because there was no correllation between the two teams, and the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men etc... A war on multiple fronts, each with their own backup plans, intel and technology to rely on.
>
> Yeah thats great they can pick them off one at a time instead...thats the EXACT set-up that allowed the Earths teams to get infiltrated in the 1st place.
>
> > Now the lucky Skrulls can, in one fell swoop, disable the internal communications which ALL these teams rely on, and by infiltrating the core, already have agents in those teams, who are in much better positions to share intel and communications with each other.
>
> Well your one fell swoop didnt happen...they picked off the 2 Avengers teams that were isolated from others...the Initiative teams were responding in each of their areas...comm may be damaged but they still seem to be arriving.
>
> > Advantage Skrulls...
>
> Your right....thanks to the chaos that exised before they have set up and were ready to take us down period...if only they had enforced SHRA sooner.

then how come Skrull spiderwoman was thanking tony in SI#3 for all that he has done to make their invasion easier?
this action regardless if tony is a skrull or not is very interesting


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