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James Hunter

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Sourcemole

Subj: Re: Please read the material you reference....
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:28:29 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Please read the material you reference....
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:16:05 am EDT

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> > > > > > > > > > > ***A skrull would have pushed for the chaos that was pre-SHRA.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ...harder for a unified resistance to form against them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > are you saying the marvel heroes are now more unified now than pre-SHRA? *gah*
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not even close to unified. Based on half of the comics from the last year, i'd say there's severe disorganization as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seriously, I know the IDEA is cool, but anyone who salutes the SHRA is not thouroughly reading the stories imo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the 50 state initiative is a heck of a lot more organized then what was going on before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seriously,the IDEA is cool, but anyone who does not salute the SHRA is not thouroughly reading any stories other then the 2 or 3 anti-SHRA storybooks out there.
> > > > > > You're missing the point. A unified organization is easier to infiltrate than several seperate ones. Not only that, the "several seperate organizations" model has worked in the MU for years, against everyone from Wraiths to Surtur to the Beyonder. Veranke was right. Tony is the greatest hero the Skrulls have ever known.
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > ...the status quo always resets...do you think the Skrulls will really win this? Are you advocating 100 individual spy agencies all working for 100 different little goivernments within the USA?
> > > > >
> > > > > This new model is working better then before. It has been stated and shown over and over that crime is at an all time low...due to SHRA.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Skrulls started their invasion LOOOOOOOONNGGG before SHRA. Backl when Fury was in charge under "your old system". You could just as easily say...the old system is the greatest asset the Skrulls have ever had...
> > > > > 1)They were allowed to keep attempting take over after take over
> > > > > 2)Being so disorganized the Skrulls were easily able to infiltrate the heroes over the last "fill in the blank years".
> > > > >
> > > > > To make this kind of argument you have to look at when they FIRST started infiltrating...and when was that? After Galactus ate their homeworld...guess what? That was your "old way/system".
> > > > Yeah, but one of the top three people in charge of your "new system" is a Skrull. And the other two were the idiots whose screwup enabled the Skrulls to become undetectable.Now we've got a Skrull in every state. Moreover, Tony's actions divided the heroes and made them hate each other.
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > Um, no, that was Cap's actions which divided the heroes not Tony (who has twice managed to unify all the heroes, both during World War Hulk and now, for Secret Invasion). Besides, we don't KNOW that it was the Illuminati (including Tony and Reed) that allowed the skrulls to become undetectable, not for certain.
> > >
> >
> > um, no, it was the hulks attack that unified the heroes in WWH(if you can even call that unity) not tony.
> > and i have yet to see any uniy in secret invasion
>
> He did unify them...he basically said lets bury our differences until this is over and work together...they agreed.
>

uh if i remember correctly didnt he say this to the heroes who were already fighting the hulk? and that he basically will just not arrest them at that time? thats unity?

> Secret Invasion...havent you seen the 50 states initive teams he spearheaded working together to try and repel the skrull invasion...just cause the skrulls are still winning doesnt mean they havent unified.

uh no? thats not what you said before. you said tony "twice managed to unify all the heroes" which he has yet to do in secret invasion. the initiative is his team. i wouldnt call that uniting all the heroes. uniting mostly unknown heroes maybe? \:\-p

> > > > > > > > > > > > ***A skrull would have pushed for the chaos that was pre-SHRA.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ...harder for a unified resistance to form against them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > are you saying the marvel heroes are now more unified now than pre-SHRA? *gah*
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not even close to unified. Based on half of the comics from the last year, i'd say there's severe disorganization as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seriously, I know the IDEA is cool, but anyone who salutes the SHRA is not thouroughly reading the stories imo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the 50 state initiative is a heck of a lot more organized then what was going on before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seriously,the IDEA is cool, but anyone who does not salute the SHRA is not thouroughly reading any stories other then the 2 or 3 anti-SHRA storybooks out there.
> > > > > > > You're missing the point. A unified organization is easier to infiltrate than several seperate ones. Not only that, the "several seperate organizations" model has worked in the MU for years, against everyone from Wraiths to Surtur to the Beyonder. Veranke was right. Tony is the greatest hero the Skrulls have ever known.
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...the status quo always resets...do you think the Skrulls will really win this? Are you advocating 100 individual spy agencies all working for 100 different little goivernments within the USA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This new model is working better then before. It has been stated and shown over and over that crime is at an all time low...due to SHRA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Skrulls started their invasion LOOOOOOOONNGGG before SHRA. Backl when Fury was in charge under "your old system". You could just as easily say...the old system is the greatest asset the Skrulls have ever had...
> > > > > > 1)They were allowed to keep attempting take over after take over
> > > > > > 2)Being so disorganized the Skrulls were easily able to infiltrate the heroes over the last "fill in the blank years".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To make this kind of argument you have to look at when they FIRST started infiltrating...and when was that? After Galactus ate their homeworld...guess what? That was your "old way/system".
> > > > > Yeah, but one of the top three people in charge of your "new system" is a Skrull. And the other two were the idiots whose screwup enabled the Skrulls to become undetectable.Now we've got a Skrull in every state. Moreover, Tony's actions divided the heroes and made them hate each other.
> > > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > Um, no, that was Cap's actions which divided the heroes not Tony (who has twice managed to unify all the heroes, both during World War Hulk and now, for Secret Invasion). Besides, we don't KNOW that it was the Illuminati (including Tony and Reed) that allowed the skrulls to become undetectable, not for certain.
> > > >
> > >
> > > um, no, it was the hulks attack that unified the heroes in WWH(if you can even call that unity) not tony.
> > > and i have yet to see any uniy in secret invasion
> >
> > He did unify them...he basically said lets bury our differences until this is over and work together...they agreed.
> >
>
> uh if i remember correctly didnt he say this to the heroes who were already fighting the hulk? and that he basically will just not arrest them at that time? thats unity?

Yeah, that's unity (it's also inaccurate, he said it BEFORE any heroes, registered or un-registered battled the Hulk), he united the heroes against a common foe, and gave them a common thread. They worked better together then they had even PRIOR to Civil War, IMHO, because there was more structure.

> > Secret Invasion...havent you seen the 50 states initive teams he spearheaded working together to try and repel the skrull invasion...just cause the skrulls are still winning doesnt mean they havent unified.
>
> uh no? thats not what you said before. you said tony "twice managed to unify all the heroes" which he has yet to do in secret invasion. the initiative is his team. i wouldnt call that uniting all the heroes. uniting mostly unknown heroes maybe? \:\-p

Actually, Michael didn't say that, I did and I still stick to it. He has now twice managed to unify the heroes (there was no in-fighting in WWH after all and they are now unified against the Skrull invasion.

Cheers.

James.


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