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SourceMole

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MysteryMan

Subj: Re: Not in the least is it in continuity....
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:13:56 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Not in the least is it in continuity....
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:44:42 pm EDT

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> > > > > > how many of those arrested have been put on trial before being hauled out to jail? its a basic right to be tried by jury. heck even Guantanamo has "some" legal proceedings in place
> > > > >
> > > > > ***We can simply say we have not seen stories about trials...
> > > >
> > > > No, it's been stated that you can be held there whether you've been charged or not.
> > > >
> > > > > > its also been stated that once signing the act you are basically being drafted to shield. granted there have been conflicting stories about this
> > > > > ***Firestar is a perfect example. She simply took off her mask and simply quit...no jail and no being forced into working for shield.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't she be considered to be on call-up for whatever the SHRA equivalent of the draft is?
> > > >
> > > > > > how many times have we seen tony trying to arrest other heroes outside the US? in the savage land alone i think ive seen it twice.
> > > > >
> > > > > ***The Savageland does not have a law enforcement force...
> > > >
> > > > Irrelevent, it's not American territory.
> > > >
> > > > >the closest thing to one is Ka-Zar...who is American...not to mention the fact that the land was discovered by an American and even had an american oil company stationed there...
> > > >
> > > > That might wash if it weren't for the fact that the Savage Land was already populated by mutiple sentient races and humaoind species BEFORE Americans arrived there. They have no claim on the land.
> > > >
> > > > >if this land had to belong to a nation it would be America...but being that The Savageland has no government...
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't really matter, there's an established population and society. The fact it doesn't use OUR norms doesn't invalidate it, or leave it as open season for anyone to wander through.
> > > >
> > > > >I would say that it is open season on criminals who want to break the laws anywhere else then go there to hide out...never stopped the X-men from goin there and taking down magneto.
> > > >
> > > > The X-Men never went there as agents of any authority political or otherwise, they always went there as free human beings.
> > > >
> > > > > > and the negative zone is outside US jurisdiction so basically since the prisoners are out of the US laws jurisdiction then they are innocent of the registration law
> > > > >
> > > > > ***Come on dude. The N Zone is a virtual Universe...having a prison there does not make the prisoners innocent or outside of the law.
> > > >
> > > > Nor does it abrogate their civil rights.
> > > >
> > > > > > those that were jailed without any trial. ever heard of the term innocent until proven guilty?
> > > > >
> > > > > ***Once again we do not really know that do we?
> > > >
> > > > Again, Robbie Baldwin, they were happy to put him in there despite not having been charged, never mind found guilty of anything
> > > >
> > >
> > > And it was revealed in Spider-Man that there were no trials. Iron Man stated that they're here until they register which should be considered illegal. As for the negative zone not being U.S. turf, that's probably the reason they had the 42 prison there so that the laws that were design to protect wouldn't be effective there as well. Tony Stark is a criminal who put himself above the laws that are based on the bill of rights that the fore fathers created to stop people like Tony from doing stuff like this, but sadly words and paper aren't enough and the SHRA ended up having hardly anything to do with training and responsibility and more about controlling a resource that isn't considered human enough to have rights.
> >
> > ...anything referrign to that trash JMS wrote in Spiderman concerning this is just that complete trash. There is a story called Civil War...a series called Civil War...where that same scene went 100% completely different...they were not to be held there without trial...they were held there temporarily while the "Civil War" was raging....that JMS ignored the main title and totally re-wrote the entire scene was a failure on his part and the editors...me...I"ll stick with what the main CWar title says was happening...the main writer in charge of writing the story...not some disgruntled writer on Spiderman who cant keep his story straight with the main storyline and completely writes backwards.

you have a choice really accept

1) A spin off issue written by a writer with a hatred of a characetr.

2) The main storyline writen by the author in charge of the story, and later an editor (Breevort) admmiting they failed to properly edit many of the spin off issues.

They are 100% in complete contradiction...I go with the guy in charge of the main stortylines point of view who also has an editor indirectly backing him up over a spin off written by a guy with a distaste for the character he is slinging mud at.

> > > > > > > how many of those arrested have been put on trial before being hauled out to jail? its a basic right to be tried by jury. heck even Guantanamo has "some" legal proceedings in place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***We can simply say we have not seen stories about trials...
> > > > >
> > > > > No, it's been stated that you can be held there whether you've been charged or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > its also been stated that once signing the act you are basically being drafted to shield. granted there have been conflicting stories about this
> > > > > > ***Firestar is a perfect example. She simply took off her mask and simply quit...no jail and no being forced into working for shield.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't she be considered to be on call-up for whatever the SHRA equivalent of the draft is?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > how many times have we seen tony trying to arrest other heroes outside the US? in the savage land alone i think ive seen it twice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***The Savageland does not have a law enforcement force...
> > > > >
> > > > > Irrelevent, it's not American territory.
> > > > >
> > > > > >the closest thing to one is Ka-Zar...who is American...not to mention the fact that the land was discovered by an American and even had an american oil company stationed there...
> > > > >
> > > > > That might wash if it weren't for the fact that the Savage Land was already populated by mutiple sentient races and humaoind species BEFORE Americans arrived there. They have no claim on the land.
> > > > >
> > > > > >if this land had to belong to a nation it would be America...but being that The Savageland has no government...
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn't really matter, there's an established population and society. The fact it doesn't use OUR norms doesn't invalidate it, or leave it as open season for anyone to wander through.
> > > > >
> > > > > >I would say that it is open season on criminals who want to break the laws anywhere else then go there to hide out...never stopped the X-men from goin there and taking down magneto.
> > > > >
> > > > > The X-Men never went there as agents of any authority political or otherwise, they always went there as free human beings.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > and the negative zone is outside US jurisdiction so basically since the prisoners are out of the US laws jurisdiction then they are innocent of the registration law
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***Come on dude. The N Zone is a virtual Universe...having a prison there does not make the prisoners innocent or outside of the law.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nor does it abrogate their civil rights.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > those that were jailed without any trial. ever heard of the term innocent until proven guilty?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***Once again we do not really know that do we?
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, Robbie Baldwin, they were happy to put him in there despite not having been charged, never mind found guilty of anything
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > And it was revealed in Spider-Man that there were no trials. Iron Man stated that they're here until they register which should be considered illegal. As for the negative zone not being U.S. turf, that's probably the reason they had the 42 prison there so that the laws that were design to protect wouldn't be effective there as well. Tony Stark is a criminal who put himself above the laws that are based on the bill of rights that the fore fathers created to stop people like Tony from doing stuff like this, but sadly words and paper aren't enough and the SHRA ended up having hardly anything to do with training and responsibility and more about controlling a resource that isn't considered human enough to have rights.
> > >
> > > ...anything referrign to that trash JMS wrote in Spiderman concerning this is just that complete trash. There is a story called Civil War...a series called Civil War...where that same scene went 100% completely different...they were not to be held there without trial...they were held there temporarily while the "Civil War" was raging....that JMS ignored the main title and totally re-wrote the entire scene was a failure on his part and the editors...me...I"ll stick with what the main CWar title says was happening...the main writer in charge of writing the story...not some disgruntled writer on Spiderman who cant keep his story straight with the main storyline and completely writes backwards.
>
> you have a choice really accept
>
> 1) A spin off issue written by a writer with a hatred of a characetr.
>
> 2) The main storyline writen by the author in charge of the story, and later an editor (Breevort) admmiting they failed to properly edit many of the spin off issues.
>
> They are 100% in complete contradiction...I go with the guy in charge of the main stortylines point of view who also has an editor indirectly backing him up over a spin off written by a guy with a distaste for the character he is slinging mud at.

doesnt really matter whether the writer had his own agenda or that the editors screwed up. what matters is that it was published and was presented as part of the whole civil war story. so that makes it in continuity. unless marvel says that its out of continuity then it is.


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