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Menshevik

In Reply To
MysteryMan

Subj: Re: Faking a crime is illegal
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:53:01 pm CDT
Reply Subj: Re: Faking a crime is illegal
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:53:36 pm CDT

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> > > > > > > > ok my memory of the event got mixed up. tony hired an assasin to attack him in public not an ambassador. still a crime.
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> > > > > > > Is it? Staging a fake combat in public might not be. If so, then I'm fairly sure we can be expecting a lawsuit against every Hollywood blockbuster ever. \:\)
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> > > > > What a complete load of rubbish.
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> > > > > Staging a fake assassination attempt would make you liable to prosecution just as staging a fake kidnapping of yourself would. After all, apart from the reckless endagerment of bystanders, there would also be the aspect of wasting time and effort by the police and judiciary.
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> > > > Who says the attempt was totally faked? I think the Titanium Man would have killed Tony if he could have, but Tony was confident there was no way that the Titanium Man could pull it off.
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> > > Lame excuse. Or are you trying to have Stark and TM convicted of a real crime (attempt of assisted suicide)?
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> > As noted below...all the anti-SHRA would be proclaiming how smart and slick Tony was to pull this off and prevent SHRA if it had worked (i.e. Stamford had not occurred 2 weeks later)...but now it's...string him up for trying to stop SHRA....wow...just wow.
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> Arguing beside the point (and with a hypothetical reaction by others - how do you know anti-SHRA would have praised Stark for this?). The question was not whether or not it was a smart thing to do or whether or not it was morally right or wrong if he had not been found out, but whether or not Tony Stark laid himself open for criminal prosecution and punishment if he was found out.
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I am sure he didnt care...he knew things would be bad if SHRA happened and as we know Tony is willing to suffer greatly so others do not.

And of course the anti-SHRA crowd would have praised him for it had it worked...they sure defend Cap for letting the Punisher on his team 10 minutes after he committed a double murder...and then let it happen again in fromt of him for the next issue.

Both sides made some serious judgemental errors...but it's tiring to hear all the made up stuff that gets added on to whats already bad enough (not pointing any fingers...meaning in general).

> > > > > Who says the attempt was totally faked? I think the Titanium Man would have killed Tony if he could have, but Tony was confident there was no way that the Titanium Man could pull it off.
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> > > > Lame excuse. Or are you trying to have Stark and TM convicted of a real crime (attempt of assisted suicide)?
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> > > As noted below...all the anti-SHRA would be proclaiming how smart and slick Tony was to pull this off and prevent SHRA if it had worked (i.e. Stamford had not occurred 2 weeks later)...but now it's...string him up for trying to stop SHRA....wow...just wow.
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> > Arguing beside the point (and with a hypothetical reaction by others - how do you know anti-SHRA would have praised Stark for this?). The question was not whether or not it was a smart thing to do or whether or not it was morally right or wrong if he had not been found out, but whether or not Tony Stark laid himself open for criminal prosecution and punishment if he was found out.
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> I am sure he didnt care...he knew things would be bad if SHRA happened and as we know Tony is willing to suffer greatly so others do not.

You mis-spelled "as I like to believe" there.
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> And of course the anti-SHRA crowd would have praised him for it had it worked...

Of course you would claim that. But that does not necessarily make it true. The course of action Tony Stark took here is also morally questionable, and even assuming the end justifies the mean, it involved the risk of being found out eventually and causing a backlash (i. e. inducing Congress to pass an even more extreme SHRA, handing control over to someone even worse than Tony Stark etc. etc.). Not to mention that it probably was unnecessary in the first place. Even if you assume that people were too stupid to imagine the dangers of a publicly known identity, it would have been just as effective e. g. to point out what happened to government-sponsored Captain America (John Walker) and his family after his ID became public knowledge.




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