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MysteryMan

In Reply To
Menshevik

Subj: Re: Faking a crime is illegal
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:26:58 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Faking a crime is illegal
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:53:01 pm EDT

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> > > > > Who says the attempt was totally faked? I think the Titanium Man would have killed Tony if he could have, but Tony was confident there was no way that the Titanium Man could pull it off.
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> > > > Lame excuse. Or are you trying to have Stark and TM convicted of a real crime (attempt of assisted suicide)?
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> > > As noted below...all the anti-SHRA would be proclaiming how smart and slick Tony was to pull this off and prevent SHRA if it had worked (i.e. Stamford had not occurred 2 weeks later)...but now it's...string him up for trying to stop SHRA....wow...just wow.
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> > Arguing beside the point (and with a hypothetical reaction by others - how do you know anti-SHRA would have praised Stark for this?). The question was not whether or not it was a smart thing to do or whether or not it was morally right or wrong if he had not been found out, but whether or not Tony Stark laid himself open for criminal prosecution and punishment if he was found out.
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> I am sure he didnt care...he knew things would be bad if SHRA happened and as we know Tony is willing to suffer greatly so others do not.

You mis-spelled "as I like to believe" there.
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> And of course the anti-SHRA crowd would have praised him for it had it worked...

Of course you would claim that. But that does not necessarily make it true. The course of action Tony Stark took here is also morally questionable, and even assuming the end justifies the mean, it involved the risk of being found out eventually and causing a backlash (i. e. inducing Congress to pass an even more extreme SHRA, handing control over to someone even worse than Tony Stark etc. etc.). Not to mention that it probably was unnecessary in the first place. Even if you assume that people were too stupid to imagine the dangers of a publicly known identity, it would have been just as effective e. g. to point out what happened to government-sponsored Captain America (John Walker) and his family after his ID became public knowledge.



> > > > > > Who says the attempt was totally faked? I think the Titanium Man would have killed Tony if he could have, but Tony was confident there was no way that the Titanium Man could pull it off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Lame excuse. Or are you trying to have Stark and TM convicted of a real crime (attempt of assisted suicide)?
> > > >
> > > > As noted below...all the anti-SHRA would be proclaiming how smart and slick Tony was to pull this off and prevent SHRA if it had worked (i.e. Stamford had not occurred 2 weeks later)...but now it's...string him up for trying to stop SHRA....wow...just wow.
> > >
> > > Arguing beside the point (and with a hypothetical reaction by others - how do you know anti-SHRA would have praised Stark for this?). The question was not whether or not it was a smart thing to do or whether or not it was morally right or wrong if he had not been found out, but whether or not Tony Stark laid himself open for criminal prosecution and punishment if he was found out.
> > >
> > I am sure he didnt care...he knew things would be bad if SHRA happened and as we know Tony is willing to suffer greatly so others do not.
>
> You mis-spelled "as I like to believe" there.

And you mis-spelled "I like to make things up and ignore what actually happens in the book I read"...if you even read it.

> > And of course the anti-SHRA crowd would have praised him for it had it worked...
>
> Of course you would claim that. But that does not necessarily make it true. The course of action Tony Stark took here is also morally questionable, and even assuming the end justifies the mean, it involved the risk of being found out eventually and causing a backlash (i. e. inducing Congress to pass an even more extreme SHRA, handing control over to someone even worse than Tony Stark etc. etc.). Not to mention that it probably was unnecessary in the first place. Even if you assume that people were too stupid to imagine the dangers of a publicly known identity, it would have been just as effective e. g. to point out what happened to government-sponsored Captain America (John Walker) and his family after his ID became public knowledge.
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I don't need to claim it...it's plain as could be if you would look.

What do you mean "if I assume people are too stupid to iamgine this..."...they have been for 40+ years of continuity too stupid in the comics to realize this...the fact that SHRA was postponed JUST BECAUSE OF THIS is proof that his plan actually worked. The reason it didn't keep on working is Stamford.

Go back and look...it WORKED...until some kids trying to up their ratings messed everything up that is.


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