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Subj: Re: WEHT the Shadowline line?
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 at 05:02:17 pm EST (Viewed 12 times)
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    How did things end up with the SHADOWLINE imprint/universe? Never read any of it. Anything interesting that was going on in that reality? Any disappointing danglers that never got addressed? Just curious what should be considered before we get into Secret Wars. Who is the hero (and/or villain) 'to hope to see' return?

Dr. Zero and Michael Devlin/Knight of St. George are definitely the the big players. The Order of St. George (Devlin's bosses) was a cool concept.

The two Powerlines not so much, but their villain, Dirk Ravenscore, could be interesting.

Skinwalker (a Devlin ally) had a cool power: mind control people by poking them with shards of bone.

Also, Shreck, who was last seen in that Beyond miniseries a few years ago. He was in a group of people that went to Battleworld. Shreck has strong ties to the 616 Earth as Terror. We were never really told if these two characters were the same guy or just versions of the same guy. His power was cool: gaining memories of dead people from grafting pieces of their body to his.

I don't recall any danglers. The plots of the three series were only supposed to run 13 issues. Yes, this got truncated when they were cancelled at 8 issues, but the Critical Mass miniseries finished them off, I think.

The imprint was cancelled due to low sales and delay problems. Don't know if you remember any of it, but look for a lot of grey-moralled characters. For instance, Dr. Zero was both extremely heroic and a tremendously selfish jerk; he was the Dragon that St. George was against. The superbeings, known as Shadows, were an offshoot of humanity that lived in secret, becoming the basis for histories myths and legends. They were all potentially immortal-- well, they could be killed, but left alone, they would not die, unless they had children. Once they had children, they would live normal human lifespans. Zero was reportedly older than mankind.

I didnt read much of Dr. Zero, although a cool costume. I thought the concept was one that was similar to Busiek's. He wasn't really heroic, he was masquerading as a super-hero which allowed him to feed off the energy of others without suspecting. If they think he's this super-powered superhero, they won't connect him to being this ancient powered amoral monstrous Dragon.

Really liked the concept of St. George, think it's perfect for a television series.

The Powerline books were unlike anything else at the time, no one had really attempted something like this since Jack Kirby and his 4th World books: a group of titles that could be read independently, but also meant to tell a larger shared story between them. Did not know they were planned to be limited runs anyway. But, I liked many of the concepts.

I am excited/scared to see them as part of the Secret Wars/Battleworld scenario. I think when the "reboot" afterwards happens, Marvel would be smart to bring in characters from the Shadowline and Ultraverse into their main line. Even though we're talking titles that are 30, 20 years old, I think it could bring some fresh blood. New villains like Dr. Zero, Shreck, Rune and heroic concepts like St. George, Freex, Nightman could shake some things up.


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