Quote: If you're manipulating someone into sex, or if you're taking advantage of them, it's not exactly consensual, no? I think that you can make that argument (At the very least.). It might not be outright rape, but you were using a tactic that wouldn't be considered kosher. So, yeah, I wasn't thinking of outright rape, but that whole thing with Lily was just creepy and wrong.
I know this makes me horrible but to me deception doesn't qualify.
If a guy lies to a girl he meets in a bar and tells her he's an astronaut, they go home together and she puts out and then she later finds out he just used the astronaut bit as a pickup line...that isn't rape in my book.
Now if he drugged her, blackmailed her, intimidated her or forced her then yeah rape. But if a woman willingly sleeps with a man (even if he did lie to her) then he's a jerk but he didn't really rape her. Rape gets thrown around too often as an accusation.
That's how I see it, as well.
The whole dance of wooing has only ever been about manipulation. And it's two-sided. Women doing it as much as the men.