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Reverend Meteor

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America's Captain 

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Subj: Re: Well, it was nice to have a diverse Marvel for a few years...too bad that's going to change
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 03:38:59 pm EST (Viewed 85 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Well, it was nice to have a diverse Marvel for a few years...too bad that's going to change
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 02:50:32 pm EST (Viewed 90 times)


      I think people want diversity if it seems organic. If it seems ham fisted or a cynical ploy to tap into a demographic's money people don't like it.

    I tend to agree. Definitely about the ham fisted part. I think the cynical ploy part is hard to get our arms around. I guess maybe Jane-Thor was a cynical ploy. But I don't really feel that way. It was certainly an attempt to get girls to buy Marvel comics or at least, maybe, Marvel toys. But what makes it cynical?


      Like I hate all the new minority replacement characters except Sam Wilson and Carol Danvers. But I always loved when books like the New Warriors or X-Men related teams made their minority members into compelling characters (the Avengers always seemed to struggle with doing that and with the nature of the Fantastic Four it didn't come up much).

    Team books have always been the place where diversity could be explored at great length and depth. Maintain a core of white males and then toss in whatever you can dream up. Aliens, robots, Africans, lots of girls, knock yourself out.


      I like diversity if it seems genuine. One of my favorite scenes in a comic ever was Night Thrasher and Rage scattering the pictures of Rage's murdered grandmother off the Eiffel Tower so she could see Paris in New Warriors #39 (Elvin had bought her a eiffel tower statuette in a previous issue for Christmas because she had always wanted to go to paris). If I feel the characters are genuine and not a marketing ploy I'll become emotionally invested.

    I think the whole marketing ploy angle becomes most pronounced when attempted with solo books. The original Ms. Marvel was unabashedly a marketing ploy, as were Luke Cage and and Shang-Chi, though the latter two are among my favorite characters of all time.

And I'm fine with Luke Cage and Shang Chi. They're originals. Ms. Marvel is one of those female derivatives of the male hero characters that are kind of annoying. But I genuinely liked her as a supporting character for Mar-Vell. I thought she was better BEFORE she became a hero.

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