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Grey Gargoyle

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little kon-el

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Subj: On the topic of diversity, I think that DC have always been (a bit) better than Marvel except the X-Books
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 at 12:04:25 pm EST (Viewed 113 times)
Reply Subj: Well, it was nice to have a diverse Marvel for a few years...too bad that's going to change
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 01:11:28 am EST (Viewed 235 times)

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Axel Alonso is gone. Bendis is gone. Both are big proponents of having diverse characters. Bendis sheparded Miles Morales and Jessica Jones. Axel Alonso sheparded Ms. Marvel, the new Captain Marvel, the Reyes Ghost Rider. Now they're gone and the guy who said that "Diversity doesn't sell" and who argued with Bendis and Alonso in public about it, is still there. Oh yeah, and they hire Ron Richards, a serial abuser and harasser in a VP role. And with CB Cebulski coming in as EIC who wants to bring back old 1980s Marvel, with no real vision...it just strikes me as Marvel hustling to not reach out to new and different voices. Cebulski is an expendable part of Marvel...he's going to rely on marketing to tell him to edit comics. And the guy who said, "Diversity doesn't sell" is going to be throwing out interesting stuff for same old, same old.

Don't get me wrong, plenty of things to not like Axel Alonso and Bendis for: Secret Empire is top on my list of "WTF?" But this strikes me as "We are going to end up fridging and obscuring a lot of minorities and women soon."

From the point of view of an European, I think that DC tend to create universal heroes whereas Marvel tend to create US-centric heroes (except the mutant characters).

For example, Superman & Batman are universal characters, whereas Captain America & Spider-Man are American characters (but are still very popular around the world).

Marvel Comics have always been centered on the USA, and even more on the East Coast of the USA, and even more on New York.

Superman & Batman are in fictitious cities (Metropolis & Gotham). On the contrary, Spider-Man is the friendly neighbourhood hero of NY.

It may explain why, many times, when Marvel try to include diversity, it is clunky, heavy-handed, goofy, etc. because it mirrors the stereotypes that a local guy might believe about foreigners/different people.

For example, my own country, France in Marvel comics.

Who's the most famous French character in Marvel comics ?
Batroc the Leaper ...

Who are the most prominent French characters in DC comics ?
Belphegor
Nightrunner
Henri Ducard
Mademoiselle Marie

But let's be honest. I am very severe. There are important exceptions. The main one is the X-verse. Since 1975, the X-books have been about diversity and are about mankind as a whole.

Also, characters such as the Black Panther are important and they are Marvel characters. So, of course, what I am saying is far from totally true.

And, of course, the MCU films are a success everywhere in the world.

Still, I think that Marvel Comics have never been subtle on the topic of diversity or, at least, as subtle as the distinguished competition.

It may explain why there have been so many heated discussions & reactions these last years about the new characters.

By the way, I like a lot Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel. I think that Carol being Captain Marvel is legitimate (and it should have happened decades ago ! She is the 3rd female Captain Marvel, not the 1st !).

But should Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel be included in a topic about diversity ?

I don't think so. She is an extremely beautiful blonde woman who looks like a young Jean Harlow, Charlize Theron, Robin Wright, Heather Graham, Naomi Watts or Cate Blanchett.

In other words, the classic archetype of feminine beauty canon in the fairytales of westerners (and which came from the Anglo-Saxons, Franks & Norsemen) !

Only Marvel could have the nerve to sell Carol Danvers as a shining example of diversity ! Lol !!! \:\-D

Also, I think that killing James Rhodes was a huge mistake.
He should come back, as soon as possible.


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