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Subj: Hulk and Johnny
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 at 07:59:52 pm EST (Viewed 116 times)
Reply Subj: Re: PREVIEWS #6
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 at 02:23:21 pm EST (Viewed 98 times)



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          Incredible Hulk #714 will feature Amadeus Cho on a rampage and is billed as World War Hulk II Part 1. Since Cho will finally be rampaging, I will probably buy this.

        Zzzz...
      The whole point of the Hulk is rampaging.

    Eh. The point of Hulk is to be a monster. That doesn't necessarily mean rampaging.

    Needs a new gimmick.


Being a monster requires some sort of monstrous behavior. Merely being ugly doesn't make you a monster. Ben Grimm might describe himself as a monster in his more self-pitying moods but really he's the farthest thing from a monster. He's an unsightly hero.

Being the Hulk is not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be a curse. Back in the Herb Trimpe and Sal Buscema days, the curse played out through the Hulk being mentally challenged, prone to uncontrollable rages, and the target of a relentless witch hunt by Thunderbolt Ross. Eventually fans wearied of the witch hunt, as it was so one-sided. Ross would keep coming and coming, and all the Hulk would do (after smashing tanks and planes for a while) is flee into the wilderness. So then we got the many and varied experiments as to how to do a Hulk book without Thunderbolt Ross as the constant threat. The only really successful experiments were Peter David's and Greg Pak's. Of these, Greg Pak's was truest to the original essence of the character. Peter David eventually came back to the essence but for quite a while his Hulk was really just a hero with green skin.

Amadeus Cho has not been experiencing his Hulk persona as a curse. He has been a hero with green skin, all cheerful and bubbly and lovin' life. I found this unreadable because it wasn't the Hulk. It was some super-smart and super-rich guy who was also super-strong. Who wouldn't want to be this guy? I had a similar reaction to the early years of Peter David's run.

Now at last Amadeus Cho is becoming a monster. Where this will lead, we don't know. Obviously he can't continue indefinitely as a 24 by 7 Godzilla. His danger to humanity will have to be toned down in some way. Or maybe he'll somehow cure himself. Or die.


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    The Marvel Multiverse needs less "Weapon Alphabets," fewer Hulks, fewer claws, and a lot less interconnectiveness. Making these kinds of connections just makes things less special. It's creative cannibalism.


I somewhat agree. For example, Old Man Logan needs to go. Classic Logan needs to replace him. Also, we don't need a Bruce Banner book and also an Amadeus Cho book, so if Bruce Banner is coming back, then Amadeus Cho needs to go. But interconnectiveness between various corners of the Marvel mythos is generally a good thing in my opinion.

As for Weapon H - there has always been something special about Hulk and Wolverine. The Hulk comic was Wolverine's first appearance. The two characters are both berserkers and frightening to behold. Logan is nearly as troubled by his bestial nature as Bruce Banner is. Both are more comfortable in the wilderness than in any city or suburb. Both are loners who nevertheless deeply appreciate any friends they manage to acquire. Both are deeply suspicious of strangers.

But that's just grown-up talk. Truth is, Weapon H is good guy Godzilla.


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    All of a sudden (Johnny's) extremely mopey? Seems forced.


I actually thought the avoidance of the issue by both Ben and Johnny seemed really weird. Ben joins the Guardians of the Galaxy and Johnny joins the Inhumans and life goes on. My impression is, those stories are being ignored. It's like they never happened. Which normally would be a frustrating disregard for continuity, but in this case the continuity that's being ignored was stupid. That's what bugs me about 21st century Marvel. A lot of the continuity is just stupid. So now we're getting the story we should have gotten. This is Ben and Johnny trying to deal with the worst reality their hearts could have imagined.

Johnny was always something of an airhead. But when the blazing "4" lit the sky, he knew he was needed, and away he went, no matter what he might have been doing. His romantic relationships were sometimes completely empty, sometimes only partially empty, and sometimes real. He was vain about his appearance. He courted celebrity like the most shameless Hollywood bimbo. And when his family or innocent civilians were in danger, all of that went out the window, and he flamed on and became the consummate hero, all bravery and altruism. The Human Torch was always his real self. Reed, Sue, Ben and the kids were always his whole heart, though occasionally he made room for someone else, like Crystal. His whole heart - and most of it was ripped out of his chest. What we're seeing now is what we should have seen before. Joining the Inhumans was nonsense. Somehow, some way, he needs to find closure. He needs to find out what ultimately happened. On the slim chance his family are still alive (he lacks our knowledge of what happened) he needs to brave all odds to try to get to them and, if they need help, to help them.

Ben needs the same thing. Plus Ben needs to help Johnny. The proper story is finally being told.







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