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Subj: Re: Hulk and Johnny
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 at 12:32:51 pm EST (Viewed 67 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Hulk and Johnny
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 at 10:02:54 am EST (Viewed 75 times)



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    Being a Hulk is what you make it. Banner Hulk was never truly a monster. That was the whole ironic point of him. He was just treated like a monster by others. Go back and reread those original stories. Hulk was not the monster-- humanity was. In fact, most non-Banner Hulks were even less rampagers than him, so by all rights Cho should not rampage. It's really not in his nature. Even if you want to play him as a monster, it doesn't mean making him rampage. Rampaging is really like the worst, most boring type of monster.


I agree with you that the Hulk was treated as something far worse than what he really was. If left alone, he would be peaceful forever. Until he got bored or lonely and decided to interact with people. In that instance, he would still be peaceful - right up to the point that someone did something stupid to trigger him. As soon as he was triggered, anything could happen. He was a ticking time bomb. Granted, he was always triggered by something some poor fool did. But we can't expect the entire human race to be wise. Too many people are fools.

The Hulk lacked restraint. That was his flaw. As soon as he was startled or angered or made to feel suspicious, anything could happen. He was an agent of chaos.

Maybe "agent of chaos" is a better descriptor than "monster" for what the Hulk was. Put him in any complicated situation and something would eventually trigger him. He was too easily startled, too perpetually bewildered, too irritable, too paranoid. And once triggered, he was quite capable of knocking a building down.


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    To me, there is nothing to really avoid. They've all been in this situation a time or three before. Ho hum.


See? Right there is the kind of thinking that creates Bendises and Fractions. It's boring to have half the FF disappear and the other half be left with grief and bewilderment. That story has already been told. We need to do something that's never been done. Let's have Reed become convinced half of humanity is destined to give birth to super-villains. So Reed sterilizes half of humanity. Hey, it's never been done before! It's genius!

Every heroic scenario has already been done. We have to be willing to let them be redone. Otherwise we'll get unheroic scenarios as those are the only ones that haven't been done.


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    Those other stories were great, imo.


Ben in outer space was a good idea in theory. As executed by Bendis it was merely a gimmick though a harmless one. But Johnny dating Medusa? That was nauseating.






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