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Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Immortus
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 07:45:33 am EST (Viewed 286 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Immortus
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 04:17:30 am EST (Viewed 227 times)

    Simon Williams is a character of his own with his own personal connections, notably to his villainous brother, the Grim Reaper, and his long-running friendship with his fellow Avenger, the Beast (recently featured again in Uncanny Avengers). Simon may not be the most popular Avengers, but he has fans.

No, you misunderstood my question. Why do we need Wonder Man in the Vision's origin story? What gap did he fill in that particular story?

I wasn't asking why we need the character as a character. I would never ask that. He existed in the Silver and Bronze Ages. He's part of the bedrock of Marvel. No one from that era should ever cease to exist on the published page. Not even Willie Lumpkin.

Thus I could ask the same question a different way: Why does Wonder Man need the Vision? From a character design and overall story design perspective - why? They were two separate characters in their own right with their own trajectories set long ago by Stan Lee and Roy Thomas. Why convolute the one with the other? I'm asking for both the in-story reason and the meta-reason.

(EDIT: I hadn't read your post near the top of the thread, Menshevik. Now I have. So I know Roy betrayed me with heartless disregard for my feelings.)

I'm not anti-Wonder Man by any means. I long for a return to the days of Wonder Man and the Beast as Avengers and best friends. It was easily one of the best bromances ever published in any comic. They were awesome.