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Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Wonder Man's memories
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 08:29:13 am EST (Viewed 220 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Wonder Man's memories
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 07:56:21 am EST (Viewed 210 times)


      I've now checked in Wonder Man's wikipedia article and then in the extremely comprehensive The Official Marvel Index to The Avengers #3 (1987).


        It turns out that the Vision having Simon Williams' memories actually dates back to the classic "Even an Android Can Cry" (Avengers #58, 1968) by Roy Thomas and John Buscema. (I hadn't re-read that story in ages and so had forgotten those details). This contains a flashback to Wonder Man's death (Avengers #9) which retcons in that Iron Man and Hank Pym (as Giant-Man) recorded his brain patterns and put them into storage in Pym's lab for the eventuality that they would find a way of reviving Wonder Man's body. We also see the origin of Ultron-1, which ends with ends with Ultron hypnotizing his "father" Hank Pym to forget about him and into abandoning his lab. In #58 Hank Pym (as Goliath) discovers the gap in his own memories in the course of the examination of the Vision (he talks about his old synthozoid experiments and then is stumped for an answer when Hawkeye asks what their ultimate results were) and decides to revisit his abandoned, boarded-up lab. Using the memory bank there, he sees what happened when he built Ultron-1. Iron Man then discovers that the tape with Wonder Man's memories is missing, and the Avengers come to the conclusion that the Vision is a synthetic body with Wonder Man's mind. (Okay, that may be based on circumstantial evidence, but it's good enough for comicbooks).

    Oh my Lord. I do not remember that horror.

    Roy - Roy - Why???

    I really need to give up now. All of Marvel is stacked against me. When Roy betrays me, I have nowhere else to turn.

    Yeah, the Vision was just Simon Williams in a can.

You knew Simon had some sort of connection to Vision. What did you think it was?

Vision got "brain waves" and later "engrams" but you already knew that. Vision did NOT get Simon's memories.

They just jump started Vision with Simon's brain waves. The way they described it in the book Vision would be like Simon with amnesia. The memories that make Simon Simon he didn't get.

(honestly the whole thing doesn't make much sense...he didn't get what exactly did he get from Simon)

    I'm done. Even an android's fan can cry.

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