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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Crucial chronology
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 03:53:12 pm EST (Viewed 244 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Wonder Man's memories
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 11:51:38 am EST (Viewed 223 times)


      I'm really confused. How did you not know/remember all of this? This is sort of what has always made me a Vision fan.

    That's what I didn't get about his post. What was the new piece of information that made him disappointed with Roy's run? We've been talking about Simon having Vision's brainwaves the whole thread below but even then I'm sure he knew the broad strokes of that before hand.

I thought I could blame some other writer for the Simon Williams part. I didn't remember it was there from the very beginning. I thought it was a retcon. HOWEVER -

I went back and re-read issues 57 and 58 of the Avengers. These, as you know, were the two issues that introduced the Vision and made him an Avenger. These were great issues, by the way. A few logic conundrums of the sort Emerick Man loves to point out, but nevertheless, some of the best comic book storytelling ever, thanks to the awesome Roy Thomas and superlative John Buscema. And here's the thing -

Simon Williams was STILL DEAD at that point.

You guys are probably scratching your heads in bewilderment even after that astonishing revelation. But you see, when I was reacting to Menshevik, I didn't REMEMBER that Simon Williams was still dead at that point. Even now I have no idea when Simon was revived. I would have to look it up.

And back then, when a character died, that character was expected to stay dead.

Roy was giving the Vision brain patterns from a dead man who was still dead and was going to stay dead as far as Roy could possibly have known.

Ridiculous as this will sound, I was picturing the Vision finding out about having Simon's brain patterns with Simon standing right there in the room with him. Because Simon has been revived for so incredibly long at this point that I forgot there was actually a period when he was doorknob dead.

Roy wasn't creating the Vision as some expendable mechanized copy of a guy who was living right there in the mansion and drinking Jarvis's tea. Simon was stone cold deceased. Skeleton in a box. Returned to the earth. Gone.

Totally different scenario than what I was picturing.

Roy and I are in love again. John and I, I'm happy to say, were never estranged to begin with.

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