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Menshevik

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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D. Strange

Member Since: Tue Sep 19, 2017
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Subj: Re: How "relevant" do you want your comics?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 10:38:01 am EST (Viewed 64 times)
Reply Subj: Re: How "relevant" do you want your comics?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 05:37:39 am EST (Viewed 63 times)



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      I'll just note that some of your taboo subjects were in fact used even in Silver Age comics, e.g. Kurt Marko was shown abusing his son Cain, his stepson Charles Xavier and his wife Sharon in the double origin of Professor X and the Juggernaut, and he apparently also drove Sharon to drink (I don't have X-Men #12 before me, so I don't know if that was already in that story or the alcoholic part was added in a later retelling). And Norman Osborn at times was abusive to Harry. (And let's face it, one of the reasons we saw comparatively little spousal abuse in before the 1970s was the prevalence of orphaned and half-orphaned memebers of the cast. In too many cases there simply was no spouse to abuse \:\-\) ).



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    Also, Dr. Strange was portrayed as a Bowery drunk in his origin.


In Strange Tales #115 it really was just implied, probably due to the restrictions set by the Code. Strange was shown as an unshaven "drifter" for two panels, but not with a bottle, but with a cigarette between his lips. And while the caption (words spoken by the Ancient One) calls him "little more than a human derelict!", alcohol and drinking are not mentioned. I suspect later retellings of the origin may have been more "explicit" as to what liquor or other drugs Stephen used at that time...


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      Personally, I find your dogma on bravery and cowardice very unrealistic. Just because a person is brave (in some respects) does not mean that they must adhere to a chivalric code of honour or that they are incapable of committing acts that some would see as cowardly. They could e.g. be believing in a "might makes right" kind of ideology, where preying on the weak is considered acceptable. And historically a lot of rapes and other acts of violence against defenseless victims have been perpetrated by warriors, mercenaries, soldiers etc., i.e. men who generally had to be and thought of themselves as brave.



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    Very true, a culture and society, even an individual, decide what constitutes honor. The S.S. threw the word around like it was going out of style. Just to be clear, the S.S. were horrible people. Just don't want people thinking I'm backing them.



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    As for the warriors raping, war cries always exist in any war, and on both sides, and rape is among the most common. According to the Pentagon, there was quite a problem with it and Marines in Vietnam.



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    Anyone who enlists as a Marine especially at that point, is certainly brave.



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    And I shouldn't have to say this, but no not all or even most Marines did that. It was a small overall percentage... just not compared to other wars or military branches.





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