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D. Strange

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Subj: Re: What confuses me is...
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 07:04:48 am EST (Viewed 57 times)
Reply Subj: Re: What confuses me is...
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 12:40:12 pm EST (Viewed 69 times)


There seems to be a whole thing started after my post, but I would like to get my two cents in.

First, you chose the wrong words when you said "soap opera," fine, fair enough. That kind of thing happens to everybody. No harm no foul.


Second...



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    I still have this question in my head. Do most of us (any of us) actually enjoy reading comics that feature such things as rape, child abuse, or prostitution - or do we merely accept them as "what the writer felt like writing about" and move on?


Yes, I do... when they are handled properly.

Spectacular Spider-Man minus one, which showed Flash's abuse as a child, portrayed his father as genuinely caring about his family. It was intriguing, and the real tones of conflicting actions is very interesting.

The importance of shining a realistic light can not be understated. Addicts and the mentally ill are rarely shown well. Often to teh points where (in any medium) you wonder if people do more harm than good in getting treatment. A story about a mentally ill person in a realistic light, or an addict, can be both entertaining and help people be more emphatic to the real thing.

And prostitution...

Daredevil Born Again. Which I think is better than DKR. Karen being... well, not a prostitute, but definitely an implication of doing things for a fix.

Someone made the point that she chose the career of a porn star, but just because you choose a career, does not mean you can't be abused. And in the 70s and 80... even into the 90s, that was way more commonplace, given the secretive and back door nature. The move was even involved sometimes. It actually still goes on today... to lesser degrees. Thank you documentaries.

That is a great story, and I think few people don't want it around. But, if you take out the coke whore aspect, as you suggest both have no place, she's just a bitch. Or dumb.

And when she goes to square things with Matt you feel for her. She earned it.

Like I said, it all comes down to care. Mike Grell's Green Arrow has some problems that show with age, but many of the talks of victim rights and the lingering effect, the toll that killing takes on a man (even when justified), prison rape, and other subjects, were usually handled with intelligence and thoughtfulness. Even if other elements were not as strong as we remember.

The New Mutants issue about suicide was maybe one of the best takes on the hefty subject, and what a suicide victim's mindset can be. I had a serious case for the feels when I read it, it touched me. Although, admittedly, that may have had something to do with a friend who struggled with it at the time.

The Spectacular Spider-man story "Child Within" deals with child abuse, but in a very almost covert way, while still showing how it can turn an innocent child into a monster under the wrong conditions. That was even followed up with treatment and curing Vermin... while the scars remained.

E.C. did a lot of good work with it too, in Shock Suspenstories.

Conversely...

I know the pitchforks are coming now, but I thought the attempted rape of Silk Spectre in Watchmen was not handled very well, given what happened afterwards.

I have always thought that Garth Ennis's portrayal of violence and sex (of all sorts) was very juvenile.

And DCs Identity Crisis, I always felt MEANT to be thoughtful, but fell short by leaps and bounds. Sue's rape was just something to have vengeance to be taken out on. It could have been almost any crime that involved secret identities. There was very little done.

This is, in my mind, is more of an editorial issue. If they can't deal with things properly, the editor should put the kibosh on it. Those who know what they are doing should not be restricted for the cares of those who don't.

I respect your view, I am curious as to what pushes this view? How new is it? Is there a reason you chose to do it now. These trends have been going on since the 70s. You grew up with it, from what you have posted. Of course, most are not really new? What caused a split? What the final straw. Is it age or the world around you, perhaps?

I actually think these things (well, many) have been less prevalent in mainstream comics than say, 10 years ago.


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