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Subj: Re: ENDGAME!
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 at 06:38:24 pm EDT (Viewed 192 times)
Reply Subj: Re: ENDGAME!
Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 at 09:25:43 pm EDT (Viewed 217 times)


      I finally saw it yesterday. Me, my older daughter, and her husband. All of us liked it a lot.

    I saw it with my 13 year old son and 5 year old daughter. They made it through without a pee break!

I sure didn't! Neither did my daughter. My son-in-law did.

My daughter and I were armed with the information that at one hour and seven minutes the movie dragged a bit, making that a good time for a pee break.

    My daughter talked almost constantly, I thought the people next to us were going to yell at us. I had to keep shushing her every few minutes.

I'm happy to say that at 32 my daughter has learned to sit quietly.


      I loved the Steve/Peggy thing. I'm a huge fan of Peggy Carter and the actress who plays her. The sadness Peggy always felt regarding Steve, and the sadness Steve always felt regarding Peggy, have been constant recurring plot points on TV and the movies. There really was only one path to happiness for either character, and Endgame gave it to them.

    I like Hayley Atwell in this role, she was great in the first Cap movie and the one-shot. In her own show, I felt like the show let her down. She was good but the show wasn’t that interesting. I did like Jarvis so it was nice to see him return for the movie.

I'm head over heels for Hayley Atwell. I think the Agent Carter show itself was good but not great. This character should not have been included as he was relentlessly boring:

Enver Gjokaj as Daniel Sousa:
A war veteran who is an agent with the SSR and experiences prejudice due to his crippled leg. "He accepts his injury, he accepts his compromised status in society ... Peggy says, 'Forget this. I'm Peggy Carter. I'm going to do something else.' I think that's the difference between the two of them." Considering a potentially romantic relationship between Sousa and Carter, Gjokaj said, "I think there's definitely a situation where...if she hadn't dated Captain America, he might ask her out for a drink. It's like if your new girlfriend dated Ryan Gosling. It's going to make you sweat a bit." For the second season, Sousa is made chief of the West Coast SSR office.

    But did Peggy and Steve deserve a happy ending? He was pining for her, but she had moved on and gotten married. Yes, now there’s speculation that maybe the man she married was time-displaced Steve, although we were already told that what he does in the past doesn’t affect the main timeline so she must have married someone else in the main timeline. Like I said, messy.

I would say yes, they deserved a happy ending. I think the Winter Soldier script writers made a mistake by telling us Peggy had been married. It just doesn't fit the romantic story arc. Unless - as you say - the man Peggy married was a time-displaced Steve. Could Marvel Studios have had that in mind from the beginning? Pretty impressive, if they did.

    Rodney? lol

I continually want to take "Robert Downey" and shorten it to Rodney. It's very weird.

    Sort of a predictable consequence of finishing out his contract. I might have preferred him to ride off into the sunset, and raise his daughter. But there had to be some consequences, right?

He needed a heroic death. For one thing, it stops fans from thinking he might appear in some future film.

    Actually another thing I was happy about was that Tony’s vision of the future from Avengers 2 seemed to come true in this movie. At the time, I just thought it was a bad dream conjured up by Wanda to distract him, so it was nice to see that there was a real threat behind it and Tony’s overzealous creation of Ultron and Vision had a real purpose. Even if neither ‘bot factored into stopping Thanos. At least he tried.

Good points!

    Come to think of it, if Tony's vision of the future was real, how did Wanda conjure it? She seemed to have mind-control powers and telekinesis. Can she see the future?

I think we've only scratched the surface of what MCU Wanda can do.


      The biggest surprise in the whole movie, for me, was Thor's beer belly! OMG!

    The comedy worked for me much better than it did in Ragnarok. At least here it had something to balance it, and you knew that Thor was only acting silly to hide his pain.

I'm OK with a funny Thor. It fits the original myths. I don't want to see the potbelly again, though.


      Another breathtaking event was when Thanos shattered Cap's shield. And of course another was when Cap was able to wield Mjolnir. Thor's reaction - "I KNEW IT!" - was perfectly correct, as we all, I'm sure, remember Thor's eyes going wide when it looked like Cap might lift Mjolnir in the Ultron movie.

    For me this was probably the best moment of the movie. Other people have told me how emotional they got during this movie and I didn’t really, which is surprising because I did a bit during Infinity War. I think I was too distracted by my kids.

I actually never took my daughters to a movie when they were young. They would have driven me crazy. We did other cool things. Just not movies.

    But this was a “whoa, cool!” moment. Also because Steve’s not just strong here because he got amped up by super steroids. He only gets the hammer because he’s a human worthy to walk amongst gods because of his strength of character.

I enjoyed this moment a lot - but if I think too hard about it, I start to ruin it for myself. Who would the Vikings have considered worthy? Wolverine, Conan, Frank Castle...

    They didn’t mention what happened to him, and I sort of think his body’s in a storage locker somewhere. Like Banner said, even without the stone there is a still a lot left to Vision, perhaps the best parts.

I'm not convinced of that. I guess it depends on whether we think JARVIS (the artificial intelligence) was conscious. I tend to think not. I think it mimicked consciousness but didn't actually experience it. The great miracle of the Mind Stone, I think, is its ability to grant consciousness.

    His turning grey in Infinity War seemed like a reference to the storyline where he was rebuilt without emotions as a white version. Why else would he turn grey if it didn’t mean something? We need a one-shot, “whatever happened to the Vision?”

I never gave a second thought to the "turning grey" thing. Interesting.

    Like others, I question if you can get the Soul Stone by someone else killing themself instead of you killing them.

Good point. I don't think Marvel really thought that through.

    Still odd that they would kill Nat when she has a movie coming out.

I guess that's why it's a prequel. It has to be. Unfortunately my interest in seeing it is low. Unless it gets wildly positive reviews, I won't go to see it in the theater.

    Hawkeye seemed a more logical choice, he would be willing to die for his family and to atone for becoming Ronin.

I think, from a meta perspective, Lila is the reason Clint is still alive. I'm just amazed her name is Lila and not Kate.

    When we saw big Cassie, my daughter said “Peanut grew up!” I forgot she was Peanut, I can’t believe my daughter remembered. She was a fan of both Ant-Man movies.

Easily the most kid-friendly Marvel movie. I think it surpasses even Spider-Man in that regard.


      Sad that Pietro wasn't brought back. There doesn't seem to be a plot reason for that. I guess Marvel just doesn't want Pietro in their movies.

    I’m sure they don’t want market confusion with the X-Men version. They probably only put him in Age of Ultron because it would seem odd if he wasn’t introduced with Wanda.

I doubt we'll ever see the X-Men version again, given the likelihood of the two universes merging. Pietro needs to (a) be Wanda's brother or else (b) not exist.

    Captain Marvel was also very messy, in both her own movie and this one. I want to like her, but she doesn’t have much character due to the amnesia, mostly. Although Wolverine made it work. Her powers are vague and undefined, but then so were Wonder Woman’s god-killer powers, and that didn’t hamper her movie too much.

I don't think Carol's powers are vague or undefined. Flight, strength, speed, invulnerability, and energy blasts are her powers. Pretty generic. What makes her interesting physically is the EXTENT of her power. She operates at goddess level, or what the Battleboard would call "herald" level, or what the DCU might describe as "Kryptonian" level.

    I liked her at the beginning, as Thor did, when she just wanted to kill Thanos. Then she predictably vanishes for the entire movie before showing up at the end.

I really wonder if she'll appear at all in the next Avengers film. I also wonder if the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise might continue without the current characters. Look at it this way. What character in the MCU really deserves to be called a Guardian of the Galaxy? Surely Captain Marvel.

    I think it was Rhodey or Banner who pointed out the philosophical problem of killing baby Hitler. The problem here is that the Thanos who dusted everyone was already dead. This is an earlier version who hasn’t committed the crime yet. Killing him doesn’t satisfy vengeance, it doesn’t punish wrongdoing. That the heroes were so willing to do it is bothersome. Tony could have (should have) used the gauntlet to wipe their memories and send them back to their own time. It would have been proper, and would have been good for the space-time continuum.

Killing MCU Thanos transcends all prior moral theory. He's in a class by himself. In my opinion it would be immoral NOT to kill him if you can. Ending his life is a moral OBLIGATION.

    Since the Russos said the essence of the stones remains in the universe, I wonder if Warlock will show up and be the embodiment of the Soul Stone. Gamora is alive again due to time travel shenanigans and he could put the original soul into the new body so they have her back again.

The first question to be answered is - What is the MCU theory of souls? For example, the Buffy Universe had a theory of souls. Remove a person's soul and the person becomes a demon. The MCU needs an equivalent theory if it intends to do anything further with the Soul Stone concept.

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