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Paste Pot Pete 
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America's Captain 
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Subj: Re: The Death of Superman
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 10:56:40 pm EDT (Viewed 117 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The Death of Superman
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:41 pm EDT (Viewed 173 times)

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    Even if Marvel and DC consciously tried to make Silver Age style comics they couldn't do it. Even if done well (Like Untold Tales of Spider-man" it is self-aware and nostalgic.


Someone with a 20th century mind could produce something with a 20th century aesthetic that was real. I see now that there are three elements, not just two. There's subject matter, aesthetic, and creator's mind.


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    Just like you can't make a Film Noir movie today. You could study Film Noir down to the finest detail and set your lighting up just like real Film Noir movies did but you still won't be able to make a Film Noir movie. No matter what it will still be Neo-Noir.


With a 20th century mind you could do it.


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    So you either have to accept the new aesthetic whether we are talking about present day comics or 80's and 90's comics. I loved the 80's and 90's comics until somewhere in the mid 90's when I felt like the wheels were coming off the Marvel bus. Everything was big boobs and big guns. Or maybe I was just in High School and thinking about real girls instead of Sue Storm.


I never minded the big boobs and big guns. That stuff, for me, was decorative. It didn't get at the essence.

It's funny that we were talking about doing things on principle, because that is the essence of 20th century mind. The 20th century was all about principles. Even in the 90s, which I guess some people might describe as nihilistic, we didn't have real nihilism. What we had was disappointed idealism. Even those punk bands I was exploring weren't really nihilists. They were disappointed idealists. The hardboiled noir private eye is a disappointed idealist.

In the 21st century we have real nihilism. The proof is that nobody even realizes they're nihilists. They're so unprincipled that they don't even miss having principles. They don't feel the absence, the void, the emptiness left behind by the disappearance of principles. They just navigate from moment to moment by however they happen to feel. At their best they're compassionate. But they're only compassionate because that's how they happen to feel at the moment. Ten minutes from now they might find themselves in a different mood and suddenly be callous and rough.

What we have at Marvel right now are nihilists trying to write super-hero comics. It's a ridiculous spectacle. Super-hero comics are ABOUT having principles. Nothing could be more alien to a 21st century mind.



You're right in modern comics everyone is an anti-hero. No one has honor or principles.

PPP





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