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Reverend Meteor

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Unstable Molecule

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Subj: Re: Were the 90's kinder to DC than Marvel?
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 at 10:59:22 am EDT (Viewed 132 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Were the 90's kinder to DC than Marvel?
Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 at 01:37:15 pm EDT (Viewed 143 times)

    I thought Knightfall was an amazing story. It was the aftermath (with Azreal as Batman) that was awful.

I'm not saying Azrael as Batman was good. But I thought what was good was that it showcased what Batman isn't and should never be. Batman as one of the bloodthirsty Image generation doesn't work.

It was saying see how horrible the idea of a bloodthirsty Batman is and why Batman can't really be what you depraved 90's fans want him to be.

And while I didn't like Azrael as Batman I remember liking how alienated all of that made Tim Drake and thought that was an interesting circumstance for him.

    When things started getting bad in the 90's, I was down to just Spider-man, Batman and Sandman (with a bit of some other Vertigo titles - Hellblazer, Shade the Changing Man, etc.). I quit Spider-man after Maximum Carnage - it was just getting too grim. I quit Batman after Knightfall. And I quit comics altogether after Sandman concluded, not coming back until JLA/Avengers.

    I wish I could answer your questions, but aside from the brief 90's Batman titles (the awesome Norm Breyfogle days as a standout), I was never really a DC guy. I would say there was some permanent damage done to some of Marvel's franchises in the 90s. The X-Men were never as cool again. Venom, Carnage, Wolverine and Ghost Rider became eye-roll-worthy. The FF's glory days never really returned after the late 80's. The Avengers were abysmal, although Busiek/Perez restored them to glory very quickly.

I feel like a lot of the "real" Marvel magic died around the Clone Saga/Onslaught stuff. To me that's when Marvel really ended. Everyone's sort of been a pod person whose past has been cherry picked ever since.

Just prior to all these stories the Marvel characters were still themselves but since then everyone has had their history or their memories altered to keep them in line with whatever Marvel's agenda has at any moment.

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