Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Happy Hogan 

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America's Captain 

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Subj: Re: New banner! How important was FRANK MILLER to 80s and 90s comics?
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 10:04:25 pm EST (Viewed 276 times)
Reply Subj: Re: New banner! How important was FRANK MILLER to 80s and 90s comics?
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 11:05:37 am EST (Viewed 297 times)



      He made the dark brooding tone more popular in comics. The trouble with that is, there are a lot of characters for whom the dark brooding tone is wrong. His work influenced Zack Snyder in what turned out to be for the worse.

    The Superman films - right? I agree - although I don't have a good answer as to how a Superman film should be done. Certainly the way Snyder did it was wrong. I think I would aim for the tone of the first season of the Adventures of Superman live action TV series from the 1950s. The later seasons were progressively more childish but that first season was gold.

Correct, the Superman films, especially Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. That film got both Batman AND Superman wrong. But as far as the old George Reeves series becoming childish, there are worse things that can happen to the character. That's having a Superman movie that you don't want your kids to see. That's what Snyder gave us with BvS. A Batman movie doesn't necessarily have to be kid friendly, but a Superman movie has to be. If a movie focuses on both of them, then it is both a Batman and Superman movie and by default has to be appropriate for children.



      Even with Daredevil he seems to have had too much influence. This isn't really his fault, but after he left DD, the only Daredevil characters writers seemed willing to explore that weren't their own, were the Frank Miller ones. Having stories based just on Kingpin, Electra, Bullseye and Punisher got old before long.

    I agree. I consider the Kingpin to be Daredevil's most boring villain nowadays - only because he's been overused. I also have zero interest in Electra and Bullseye but I never did - not even under Miller. I like when the Punisher shows up, especially on TV.

    Over all I agree with your basic argument. Many writers and editors (and directors) nowadays think the way to go is always to go darker. I think they're wrong, but I think there's a kernel of truth in their perspective. The way to go is more grown up. Childish is a mistake. This is why I love the first season of the Adventures of Superman TV series. It was for grown-ups. Yet it was absolutely a Superman show with costume and powers and secret identity and idealism.

It was for both grown-up and kids. I haven't watched the series for a while, so I'll take your word for it that it got more childish as it went further along. But I don't really fault the series for that. Everyone back in the fifties thought that comic books were for the kiddies.
I'm all for comics being something adults can enjoy, but if you don't have something kid friendly, you won't have kids reading comics. If kids don't enjoy comics, they probably won't be reading them (or watching their movies and TV shows) when they grow up.

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