Quote:Since the TF board is about as dead as Atari is, I figured I'd post this topic here.
Quote:Okay so Optimus Prime becomes the leader at the start of the Decepticon uprising and had the power to face Megatron. Okay so I can see him being considered the savior of the Autobots at this point.
Quote:Now then.....just how long did the war go on?
Quote:Well in the old cartoon, it went on for 5 million years at which point Cybertron is a wreck and its resources nearly gone. Optimus leads a mission to get new energon resources, they are intercepted and they crash on primitive Earth and lay dormant for another 4 million years.
When did they say the war lasted 5 million years before Optimus and Megatron crashed on Earth? So by 1984 it had been raging for 9 million years? That's really quite absurd when you think about it.
The Decepticons were supposed to be warriors and Autobots the scientists or something right? So it was a losing battle for the Bots to begin with. Maybe when Orion Pax became Optimus he turned defeat into stalemate and that's the best anyone could hope for?
Quote:Meanwhile, the war still grinds away on Cybertron in the old cartoon. Shockwave for all his power couldn't conquer the planet and apparently no one could step up to replace Prime. Where was Ultra Magnus?
Is it because Prime had the Matrix that no other Autobot leader could emerge?
Quote:earth year 1984, The TF's on Earth get reactivated and the war carries over to Earth for years.
Quote:By Earth year 2005, the Decepticons have won and taken the planet. Who knows how many Autobots were terminated in the process. Optimus is reduced to bases on each of the planet's moons and Autobot City on Earth.
He was outnumbered again. Once the 'Cons got the space bridge working they had unlimited reinforcements. Prime had none, except help from the humans.
Quote:Optimus was preparing for a final offensive to retake the planet and defeat Megatron when he had to go to Earth and make his great sacrifice in battle against Megatron.
Quote:Unicron attacks and Rodimus Prime arises and what does Rodimus do? FINISH what Optimus couldn't do.
Quote:1. Destroys Unicron.
Well sure, but Unicron never appeared while Optimus was around so he didn't have a chance. In the comic, Optimus used the Matrix to kill Unicron.
Quote:2. Leads the Autobots and the Junkions to retake Cybertron in the confusion following Unicron's assault.
3. Over the course of a year Cybertron has been refortified and can repel any attack by the Decepticons who are in exile and dying until the Quintessons come for them.
I would say it helped that Optimus single handedly took out Megatron and the Seekers, some of the most powerful Decepticons. Sure they were rebuilt by Unicron but Cyclonus and Scourge didn't seem to be that effective.
Quote:Cybertron was slowly rebuilding and becoming more energy self sufficient under the command of Rodimus, who while compassionate and caring was able to make hard choices that Optimus couldn't such as blowing up a planet to keep its energon away from the Decepticons.
Of course Rodimus succumbed to the hate plague while Optimus didn't.
Quote:Optimus led his people in a war that he couldn't end for millions of years. He should have been replaced sooner.
Perhaps but, who would have stepped up to the plate? Rodimus wasn't ready and Magnus didn't seem to have what it took.
The episode War Dawn established that the war went for 5 million years before they crashed on Earth and were dormant for another 4 million.
The Autobots have too much reverence regarding the Matrix and they were way too codependent on Optimus Prime always being there to lead and inspire.
Ultra Magnus was too content to be a soldier and had too much self doubt about his own ability to lead when clearly he is a good leader.
Despite Optimus training his troops none had the ability to stand in his place in terms of leadership or physical power except Magnus.
Grimlock was built on Earth in the cartoon and was too arrogant and dimwitted.
As to Rodimus succumbing the plague, it was spread by touch, only takes a few moments of contact to get infected, it is an irresistible infection that drives the subject mad. Optimus was still "dead" when Rodimus was infected and soon after revival he gets coated in a special metal (adamantium for lack of another term) that can resist heat/radiation and the shockwaves of a supernova star explosion, at this point Optimus is indestructible which is a good thing since the Matrix was drained to save the cosmos.
Cyclonus and Scourge are supposed to be second only to Galvatron in power, yet Cyclonus' mindless loyalty and Scourge's fear of Galvatron kept them in line. Cyclonus would have made a better leader.
The Autobots are way too dependent on playing follow the leader while the Decepticons serve mainly out of fear of their leader.