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Subj: Re: What 90s Marvel/DC cross-overs do you wish you got to read?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 at 09:33:05 am CST (Viewed 263 times)
Reply Subj: Re: What 90s Marvel/DC cross-overs do you wish you got to read?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 at 06:19:46 am CST (Viewed 304 times)


      What I actually daydreamed about during the 1990s was to have Hawk & Dove move to the Marvel Universe because I was really incensed about the way the cast of a great series was wasted just so that the ending of Armageddon 2001 would come as a suprise (and one that made no sense to boot). Another reason for this was that I felt that Hawk & Dove (post-Crisis) was the best Marvel series ever produced by DC.

    What made it feel like a Marvel series? I know I sometimes feel this way about certain books. In fact, Young Justice felt a bit like a Marvel book to me.

Hard to put a finger on it. If I had to analyse it I would say the general set-up was not unlike Silver and Bronze Age Spider-Man with the setting at a real-life university (GWU in H&D, NYU (under the name Empire State University) for Spidey), even if the characters mostly did not directly correspond to Spider-Man characters (with the exception of Hank Hall, who was very much like Flash Thompson - but well, both characters were created by Steve Ditko ;\-\) ). But the general interactions were a bit like your "typical" Marvel-type soap opera. Now that I think about it, I guess one could even see the romance between Dawn/Dove and maverick police captain Sal Arsala as a gender-flipped version of "what could have been with Spider-Man and maverick police captain Jean DeWolff".

But was also important was the humor. I have to admit, I knew DC mostly from the Silver Age comics I had read in the 1960s and the Batman TV series (apart from the stuff I began to read in the 1980s), so the impression I got that when DC went for funny it would be either more juvenile or campy may have been a bit off-mark. But the more sophisticated, sometimes witty humor of Hawk & Dove put me more in mind of Marvel writers like Stan Lee (who started playing towards a college-level audience in the 1960s), Steve Gerber and Peter David (well, obviously PAD worked for DC in the 1990s, but he started and was formed at Marvel). There are a few lines that still make me chuckle today, for instance when Hank more or less said that Hemingway was his favourite writer and one of his friends (a fellow student) tried to shoot him down with "Hemingway wrote four-word sentences consisting of three-letter words." Or the wonderful meta-humor at Sal and Dove's first date where Sal confessed that as a youngster he had wanted to become a superhero, even to the point of considering getting an injection of mongoose blood (a sneaky reference to the origin of Marvel/Timely's Golden Age hero, the Whizzer). And later he asked what was the deal with superheroes and villains choosing names that sum up their powers - he added something like "if I had speed powers, I'd call myself Concrete Man, just to throw everybody off track!"

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