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Subj: Re: New banner! Any MIRACLEMAN fans among us?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 at 09:39:18 pm CDT (Viewed 254 times)
Reply Subj: Re: New banner! Any MIRACLEMAN fans among us?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 at 11:32:05 am CDT (Viewed 284 times)

    I wonder what a team-up of Miracleman with Doctor Manhattan would have been like, the latter being another Moore take on super power as godhood.

I'm not sure what would come from such a story. There is some similarity between MM and DM (and also Swamp Thing), but they're different. MM is a god like Zeus or Apollo while DM is a detached, lost in time watchmaker deity.

    Do you interpret that as an allegory for midlife crisis?

Of course. The sad day comes for every man when he forgets his magic word and realizes everything he thought he knew about the past and the adults in it was WRONG.

    Even Miracleman couldn't hold Johnny Bates accountable in some way?

Only by killing him.

    I often got the impression that Miracleman himself was the villain of the stories. Surely I'm oversimplifying, however. Would you say that, at least to some extent, Miracleman was a villain?

No, not the villain. Gargunza was certainly a fully sinister personality. But the story showed that all heavens, revolutions, and utopias are built on a mountain of human skulls. And even if it seemed a better world had come, it wasn't quite clear if it was still human.

    I never liked either of those interpretations. I especially dislike the notion of Captain Marvel having Billy's mind. The notion of Superman as really just a normal joe on the inside - the idea that Clark Kent is the true persona and Superman is the mask - never resonated with me. What does the Miracleman interpretation bring to these questions?

Basically, that someone with the power in his limbs to stop a train is NOT human; wouldn't think human, or feel human. You can't walk around with that kind of power and simply be "just a guy." Superhuman on that scale means just that: SUPERhuman. It's why it was impossible for Moran's wife Liz to stay married and connected to Miracleman; he was so beyond her in every way. It's why there was a time when Superman was real and Kent the fiction and it was understood it wasn't possible or a very simple matter for him to be with let alone marry Lois.

In terms of Captain Marvel: he is NOT Billy Batson, but the two are intrinsically linked to one another with Billy informing the separate being with his innocence and humanity. CM is Billy's idealized idea of what being a grown up means. Their connection is ambiguous, complex and an exploration of identity. Their exact relationship isa mystery, and should be allowed to remain one.

Miller said DKR was his attempt to bring a sense of myth back to Batman and superheroes. He was tired of the simple and reductive attempts to utterly humanize them as just normal people who put on costumes.

Similarly, Miracleman is Moore's attempt to bring the mythic back to the Superman archetype. He takes on the full implications of such a creature; biological, philosophical, political, religious, etc.

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