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The Black Guardian

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Subj: Re: New banner! You knew it was coming -
Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 at 04:02:14 pm EDT (Viewed 611 times)
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I really don’t know much about Metallica beyond the few songs that get played on the radio, which I like.
When people say bands “sell out”, I sometimes wonder if it’s more out of resentment or jealousy. When you’re in on the early days of a band before they break through, you tend to resent the new fans when the band does break through. Just look at YouTube comments when some kid posts that he likes a song that came out before he was born. Instead of accepting a young fan who has embraced the music they love, some old fans will ridicule them. It doesn’t make sense to me.
Also, I think some bands get jealous when another band breaks through. I admit there is some luck involved when one band gets discovered over another but sometimes that band is just better.
While I love Green Day’s early stuff, I think they’ve shown their merit and talent over the past 25 years. Yet lots of people think they sold out. But look at the classic punk bands:

The Sex Pistols only released one album. While I don’t think Johnny Rotten ever sold out, Malcolm McLaren was selling rebellion from the start.
The Ramones, a band I love, played virtually the same concert every night for 20 years.
The Clash quickly moved into pop and raggae sounds, even hip hop, with success but no one ever says they sold out.
The Pretenders haven’t been regarded as a punk band in 30 years or so, but their early stuff was very punk.

As long as the music is good, I’m ok with a band trying to move to that next level.

Re: The Pretenders

Hynde had her roots in punk, but when the band was forming, members were coming from other styles (iirc, they have a connection to Mott the Hoople). I hesitate to really call even the early stuff purely punk. And the New Wave movement, which they were part of, was sort of this fusion of rock, punk, disco, reggae, pop, r&b, techno, et al. Their debut album was including the classic pop-rock Kinks song "Stop Your Sobbing." "Brass in Pocket" and "Kid" were just straight rock, almost throwing back to the 50s and 60s.

As for Metallica, many people point to when they went from metal to grunge as a sellout, but truth is, most of those people probably only knew of them because they commercialized for Justice For All.

And they commercialized for Master of Puppets before that... and probably Kill Em All and Lightning before that.


Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) says this about "selling out": "People get panicky when you’re not their little pocket group anymore—their favorite little group that only they know about."

The term might have a point when it comes to politics and ethical/moral things, but it really doesn't when it's applied to music. Like it or not, the main point of these bands is to sell themselves. And then some fans get upset when they sell.

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