Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Jeremiah Ecks

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dave

Subj: A foray in the wonderful pitfalls of Time-Travel
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:41:52 am EDT
Reply Subj: "One More Day" speculation
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:21:35 am EDT

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> I just cannot believe, if it happens, that Peter would give up MJ
> and his child(ren) to save Aunt May (Remember in ASM #500, the future
> Peter says he has a son, Ben). How could he give up his wife and kids
> for Aunt May? Sure, May has been important to him, but my God, what a
> momma's boy. Unless....in ASM #500 by going back thru the timeline, he

That's just a possible future. We've seen many possible futures for Pete over the years. It's not a sure thing and even if it was you couldn't let people die because you might end up with a better life because of it. I'm not sure why you'd be in favor of that anyway since Pete dies in a fight from the police at a relatively youngish age.

> affected the future already (possibly changing his current personality since then). Also, what other things were affected in ASM #500 by his invlovement in the past (i.e. not capturing Sandman, not delivering ISO36, not webbing Gwen)?
>

He captured Sandman. He did everything the same. He just leaped out to another time before that happened. Besides, all time travel stories in the MU are pointless. Going back in time and changing the past doesn't affect your current timeline, only alternate timelines. This is pretty standard continuity in the MU and has been explained several times by Reed Richards.

> But if it is the unmasking that he feels is causing all this trouble, then it would make sense to just go back to that point, and not unmask. May wouldnt have gotten shot, and he would still be married to MJ. Of course, other things would have happened differently, but I cant imagine May getting shot would have been one of them.

It might make for a good What If since it would have a big impact on Civil War, but, as I said before, Pete can't change things by going back in time. If he went back in time and changed his past then as time moved along Pete would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Therefore, you would have a paradox. Hence it is only possible to change the future of another universe. Pete's only bet would be if an alternate reality version of himself went back in time and did this, but that's obviously not the case or none of this would have ever happened. If anything, Pete might have just run into a dupe of himself around that time and got an explanation.

Unless Marvel is ready to break continuity with all of their time travel stories and create a confusing paradox that can never be explained by later writers, time travel is not the answer. Think about it. If Pete goes back to stop the bullet from hitting may then his future self (who has a healthy May) would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Hence, he wouldn't and May would die. It's impossible.

Magic, mind control, sure. No time travel please.

> It might make for a good What If since it would have a big impact on Civil War, but, as I said before, Pete can't change things by going back in time. If he went back in time and changed his past then as time moved along Pete would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Therefore, you would have a paradox. Hence it is only possible to change the future of another universe.

Unfortunately, ASM #500 disproves this theory. Dormammu utterly destroys - past-tense - the whole Marvel universe due to Reed Richards' machine setting him free. Spider-Man manages to survive with Dr. Strange and then Strange has to send Spidey through time, setting it all right. Spidey gets one vision of (an alternate?) future where MJ is murdered by one of Dormammu's drones and then the rest of #500 happens. How does Peter change the situation around? Because his Marvel universe has happened. So he leaps 'back' in time and changes events by getting Reed to do things differently. The problem is... if this is a different timeline, which Spidey made by changing the events of the past, then this is either an alternate present because the original Marvel universe, 616, was wiped out by Dormammu. Or this is an alternate version of Peter from a universe where Dormammu won, and he's trying to stop the same thing happening in 616. Man, my head is spinning.
Unfortunately, JMS broke continuity (not that any of Nu-Marvel would ever break any of Marvel's long term traditions like that) and said 'no, this isn't an alternate reality or an alternate Spider-Man, but Spidey just actually has changed the future present'. Creating your self-prophesied paradox, I'm afraid.
Seeing as JMS is writing OMD, there is nothing to stop him using time travel to do a similar thing with May, MJ or the Molten Man should he choose. \^_\^

> Unless Marvel is ready to break continuity

... Nu-Marvel, 'Nuff said. ;\)

>with all of their time travel stories and create a confusing paradox that can never be explained by later writers, time travel is not the answer. Think about it. If Pete goes back to stop the bullet from hitting may then his future self (who has a healthy May) would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Hence, he wouldn't and May would die. It's impossible.

So is ASM #500, as explained above. \:\( The rot of continuity has already begun.

> Magic, mind control, sure. No time travel please.

You may be hoping for too much. I hope you're not.

-Jeremiah Ecks,
whose head is now falling apart. Retroactively.


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