Dave Galanter
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Jeremiah Ecks

Subj: Re: A foray in the wonderful pitfalls of Time-Travel
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:57:11 am EDT
Reply Subj: A foray in the wonderful pitfalls of Time-Travel
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:41:52 am EDT

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> It might make for a good What If since it would have a big impact on Civil War, but, as I said before, Pete can't change things by going back in time. If he went back in time and changed his past then as time moved along Pete would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Therefore, you would have a paradox. Hence it is only possible to change the future of another universe.

Unfortunately, ASM #500 disproves this theory. Dormammu utterly destroys - past-tense - the whole Marvel universe due to Reed Richards' machine setting him free. Spider-Man manages to survive with Dr. Strange and then Strange has to send Spidey through time, setting it all right. Spidey gets one vision of (an alternate?) future where MJ is murdered by one of Dormammu's drones and then the rest of #500 happens. How does Peter change the situation around? Because his Marvel universe has happened. So he leaps 'back' in time and changes events by getting Reed to do things differently. The problem is... if this is a different timeline, which Spidey made by changing the events of the past, then this is either an alternate present because the original Marvel universe, 616, was wiped out by Dormammu. Or this is an alternate version of Peter from a universe where Dormammu won, and he's trying to stop the same thing happening in 616. Man, my head is spinning.
Unfortunately, JMS broke continuity (not that any of Nu-Marvel would ever break any of Marvel's long term traditions like that) and said 'no, this isn't an alternate reality or an alternate Spider-Man, but Spidey just actually has changed the future present'. Creating your self-prophesied paradox, I'm afraid.
Seeing as JMS is writing OMD, there is nothing to stop him using time travel to do a similar thing with May, MJ or the Molten Man should he choose. \^_\^

> Unless Marvel is ready to break continuity

... Nu-Marvel, 'Nuff said. ;\)

>with all of their time travel stories and create a confusing paradox that can never be explained by later writers, time travel is not the answer. Think about it. If Pete goes back to stop the bullet from hitting may then his future self (who has a healthy May) would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Hence, he wouldn't and May would die. It's impossible.

So is ASM #500, as explained above. \:\( The rot of continuity has already begun.

> Magic, mind control, sure. No time travel please.

You may be hoping for too much. I hope you're not.

-Jeremiah Ecks,
whose head is now falling apart. Retroactively.

> > It might make for a good What If since it would have a big impact on Civil War, but, as I said before, Pete can't change things by going back in time. If he went back in time and changed his past then as time moved along Pete would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Therefore, you would have a paradox. Hence it is only possible to change the future of another universe.
>
> Unfortunately, ASM #500 disproves this theory. Dormammu utterly destroys - past-tense - the whole Marvel universe due to Reed Richards' machine setting him free. Spider-Man manages to survive with Dr. Strange and then Strange has to send Spidey through time, setting it all right. Spidey gets one vision of (an alternate?) future where MJ is murdered by one of Dormammu's drones and then the rest of #500 happens. How does Peter change the situation around? Because his Marvel universe has happened. So he leaps 'back' in time and changes events by getting Reed to do things differently. The problem is... if this is a different timeline, which Spidey made by changing the events of the past, then this is either an alternate present because the original Marvel universe, 616, was wiped out by Dormammu. Or this is an alternate version of Peter from a universe where Dormammu won, and he's trying to stop the same thing happening in 616. Man, my head is spinning.

Yes, this issue did (damn you JMS) thow a cork in the way things work. Another complication to this is that Pete never really went back in time himself but rathe relived his experiences in his body from that time (similar to Quantum Leap). Since this was based in magic and not science maybe the rules are different. I'm not taking the time travel events too seriously.

> Unfortunately, JMS broke continuity (not that any of Nu-Marvel would ever break any of Marvel's long term traditions like that) and said 'no, this isn't an alternate reality or an alternate Spider-Man, but Spidey just actually has changed the future present'. Creating your self-prophesied paradox, I'm afraid.
> Seeing as JMS is writing OMD, there is nothing to stop him using time travel to do a similar thing with May, MJ or the Molten Man should he choose. \^_\^
>

This irritates me. I applaud him for having the stones to shake things up and break new ground but I hate time travel an the alternate reality theory is the only way to make sense of it.

> > Unless Marvel is ready to break continuity
>
> ... Nu-Marvel, 'Nuff said. ;\)
>
> >with all of their time travel stories and create a confusing paradox that can never be explained by later writers, time travel is not the answer. Think about it. If Pete goes back to stop the bullet from hitting may then his future self (who has a healthy May) would have no reason to go back in time and perform the same function. Hence, he wouldn't and May would die. It's impossible.
>
> So is ASM #500, as explained above. \:\( The rot of continuity has already begun.
>
> > Magic, mind control, sure. No time travel please.
>
> You may be hoping for too much. I hope you're not.
>
> -Jeremiah Ecks,
> whose head is now falling apart. Retroactively.


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