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Jeremiah Ecks

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Subj: Re: Hobgoblin Poll
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:22:30 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Hobgoblin Poll
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:03:21 am EDT

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Yay! This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with OMD/BND!

Here's some Hobbie related questions for you:

1) What's your favourite all-time Hobgoblin story (you can choose any of them - Kingsley, Macendale, that female one from 2211 etc)?

2) What did you think of the Flash being framed storyline?

3) What was your initial reaction to ASM #289 (Hobbie revealed as Ned Leeds)?

4) If you're an old-time fan (or just an old fan) and were reading Spidey in the 80s - who did you think Hobgoblin was at the time?

5) If Stern's plan of the 'evil twin' Kingley was originally done in the 80s comics, how do you think you would have reacted to the revelation at the time?

6) What did you think of Hobgoblin Lives?

7) What's been best and worst Hobgoblin incarnation? (Kingley, mercenary Madendale, demonic Inferno Macendale, Demogoblin, souped-up clone saga era Hobgoblin, Bendis Secret War Hobgoblin, 2211 Hobgoblin... am I forgetting any?)


> 1) What's your favourite all-time Hobgoblin story (you can choose any of them - Kingsley, Macendale, that female one from 2211 etc)?

The battle between, presumably, the Kingsley Hobgoblin and Spidey and Harry, during the period just after Spidey dumped the black costume. It was when MJ finally confessed to Peter about his identity. The arc was magnificent - the lead up, Spider-Man getting close to unmasking the Hobgoblin again... but this time, the stakes were high as Liz's life, as well as her baby's was on the line. MJ's position in the story made everything a little more interesting because we now know she knew who Peter was and was juxtaposing an interesting moral dilemma - would she give up Peter's identity to rescue Liz's baby? (We know she wouldn't but Peter didn't know). The battle in the flames at the end... one of my top 3 favourite Spidey stories of all time, if not my favourite, actually.

> 2) What did you think of the Flash being framed storyline?

Meh. By that point, the mystery was beginning to take too long, too much. I didn't mind the mystery continuing but there needed to be more clues and much more of a structured mystery. This just stank of 'cash cow' which isn't what you want a mystery to evoke. So the Flash is framed storyline was generally one of my least favourites in the Kingsley-Goblin era, although I actually think it's better than quite a lot of the stuff that followed in the years to come...

> 3) What was your initial reaction to ASM #289 (Hobbie revealed as Ned Leeds)?

I wasn't reading at the time. I kind of learned everything backwards and so therefore for me, Ned being the Hobgoblin wasn't something I was surprised at - it was 'old' news for me. I was reading Macendale at the time. It was only when I went back and read the issues, I realised how much of an awkward solution it all was. At least PAD tried.

> 4) If you're an old-time fan (or just an old fan) and were reading Spidey in the 80s - who did you think Hobgoblin was at the time?

If I'd been reading it at the time, I'd've thought Ned because that's what DeFalco and all the others tried to make it. If not Ned, I may have started to suspect Richard Fisk if he hadn't known Peter already, but otherwise, I just would have thought he would have been a new character, like Osborn was, as a cheat.

> 5) If Stern's plan of the 'evil twin' Kingley was originally done in the 80s comics, how do you think you would have reacted to the revelation at the time?

I'm not sure. I think it would have worked because Kingsley would have wrote everything surrounding it in a manner that makes sense. As it happens, it's to his credit he made Hobgoblin Lives work as well as it did, considering the mess up after he left the helm.

> 6) What did you think of Hobgoblin Lives?

I haven't read it, in all fairness, but all of the synopsis' I've read makes me think I'd enjoy it. Although seems to me Hobgoblin goes down too easily and is too easily revealed. I can take Daniel Kingsley giving the game away under duress but I'm just surprised that Kingsley allowed himself to be captured and unmasked by Spider-Man. You'd think with all the duplicity, he'd off Macendale and then get out of there, knowing Betty Brant would be on the chase.

> 7) What's been best and worst Hobgoblin incarnation? (Kingley, mercenary Madendale, demonic Inferno Macendale, Demogoblin, souped-up clone saga era Hobgoblin, Bendis Secret War Hobgoblin, 2211 Hobgoblin... am I forgetting any?)

Kingsley's original is by far the best.
Demogoblin is the worst, but he's a different character and not a Hobgoblin, per se. I wasn't much fond of the Secret War Goblin because he seemed totally unnecessary. Why another Goblin? Just use Kingsley or even Macendale for goodness sake (for all the care Marvel have of continuity, Macendale wouldn't have been a big deal). Plus, we're realistically not ever going to find out who he is. Plus, he's dead. Yeah, right, good idea... Sigh.
I know most people here would hate demonic Hobby but let's face it, the iconography works in potential (just not with the legacy of this character), so I could forgive it to a degree. Same thing goes with cyber-Goblin - why wouldn't Macendale give it a go? Besides, I thought he looked well cool. \^_\^

-Jeremiah Ecks,
who loves Tom DeFalco for bringing back Hobgoblin. Sort of.


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